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Post by insvorloc on Feb 17, 2015 3:56:54 GMT
Considering building a 5" gauge Duchess to Michael Breeze plans
with castings by Blackgates. Is anyone currently building one?
Anyone already built one? Anyone know of any sites or publications
dedicated to Duchess builds? Any advice, warnings, suggestions,
or reality checks on anything would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2015 13:05:09 GMT
Hi
Mark Franklin who used to be of this parish has built a very nice 5" duchess to the Michael Breeze design...he hasn't been on this forum for a long time but you will find him on Facebook. He's been very active in the past with the popular Duchess specific meets. Might be worth contacting him there, you'll know when you've found the correct person as his FB cover photo has a very nice picture of his Duchess of Sutherland
regards
Pete
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Post by insvorloc on Feb 17, 2015 16:53:09 GMT
Thanks greenglade. I searched Facebook but couldn't find a Mark Franklin with a Duchess
in his cover photo. Any chance you could pull him up on Facebook and just copy the Facebook
link and paste it here or pm it to me?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2015 17:01:42 GMT
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Post by insvorloc on Feb 17, 2015 17:32:55 GMT
The link worked perfectly; found Mark in front of his masterpiece "Duchess Of Sutherland".
Thanks again greenglade.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2015 17:56:16 GMT
no prop...any problems just say Pete recommended him ....add that I'm building Doncaster and he will know exactly who I am....he's a decent guy I'm sure he will help with any question that you may have..
Pete
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waggy
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Post by waggy on Feb 18, 2015 14:58:50 GMT
How do,
I've just finished one, everything went OK, no major hiccups as far as I remember? I didn't use castings apart from the driving, bogie and pony wheels which came from Reeves. There wasn't a lot of "meat" on the drivers to form the tread profile in relation to the wheel boss, not a problem for me though, I fitted steel tyres. The cylinders are from the solid and I fabricated most other parts instead of using castings. The boiler is a beast, just about as big as you can get in standard 5" scale. The throatplate is a very complicated shape to form in one piece, I made mine in two pieces with approval of our boiler inspectors.
It runs well, the valve events seem fine, giving an even beat. I "fined down" some of the gear parts as they are drawn over scale and looked too heavy for my eyes.
Michael advocates forming the dome cover from copper sheet, use the 9F dome that Blackgates supply, not quite right but near enough for me. (One chap at an exhibition asked me about the dome and how I'd formed it? When I said I'd used a 9F casting he remarked it looked too small. I replied that he should bring his to show me and we'd compare, still waiting!)
I built the tender chassis from Tony Alcock's Jubilee drawings using castings from Blackgates, nothing against Michael's drawings, I'd already built a Jubilee and am very pleased with the finished chassis. The tank/ bunker is different but Michael's version makes up well.
If you decide to go ahead good luck, ask as many questions as you like, happy to help.
Waggy.
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Tony K
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Post by Tony K on Feb 20, 2015 12:29:52 GMT
... (One chap at an exhibition asked me about the dome and how I'd formed it? When I said I'd used a 9F casting he remarked it looked too small. I replied that he should bring his to show me and we'd compare, still waiting!)....Waggy. Ello Waggy, just the type I like. "What's yours like" is always a good reply to criticism I find. |
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Post by ejparrott on Feb 20, 2015 17:28:58 GMT
I'm looking to build one, I have Malcolm's Michael's drawings.
To be frank. I'd heard a lot about how good Malcolm's Michael's design was etc etc etc. I was a bit disappointed when the drawings arrived. The chassis stretchers are nothing like the real thing, just for starters.
My plan is to spend cold winter evenings converting Malcolm's Michael's drawings into 3D cad, and then I will start modifying them to make them more accurate. There's along way to go before I start cutting metal, I've the MW to finish first, the Lion to re-boiler, and I want to build the Standard 4 tank next.
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Post by insvorloc on Feb 21, 2015 20:09:29 GMT
Hello ejparrot
..."I'm looking to build one, I have Malcolm's drawings."....
I was just curious about "Malcolm's drawings." Is there another source of plans for the
5" gauge Duchess other than Michael Breeze? If yes, please advise with details on how
I can get more information on purchasing them.
Thanks.
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Post by ejparrott on Feb 22, 2015 8:19:54 GMT
Not that I'm aware of - edit : just noted a typo, should be Michael not Malcolm, I'm forever getting it wrong!
Malcolm High (model Engineers Laser) does a tender kit which I think might be more accurate than Breeze's, but I've not studied his tender drawings in detail. As already alluded to the Allcock drawings for the Jubilee tender chassis are a masterpiece.
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Post by insvorloc on Feb 24, 2015 3:29:31 GMT
Does anyone know where I can purchase Michael Breeze's plans for the Duchess?
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davidk
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Post by davidk on Feb 24, 2015 7:42:23 GMT
You should be able to get the drawings from Blackgates Engineering.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 9:39:54 GMT
You can also get the drawings direct from Michael himself. I believe he still does castings as well. I can send you a pm with his phone number if you want to get in touch. Be warned though that he'll talk all day about locos  John |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 9:57:41 GMT
talking ofdirect contact with Michael, iirc the guy's name who I gave earlier in this thread (Mark) got his casting's etc direct, he often tried to get me to use Michael's casting for his A3 in place of Don's at a much cheaper rate but I stuck to Don and unfortunately that meant Reeves prices..still I haven't regretted this as Don's castings are superb even if let down now and then by bad quality control on Reeves side.
Pete
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Post by insvorloc on Feb 24, 2015 16:55:10 GMT
"....You should be able to get the drawings from Blackgates Engineering...."
I have emailed Blackgates 3 times about purchasing the plans and castings but have received no response.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 17:34:06 GMT
Call them, far easier and as long as you don't call from a withheld number you'll get an answer
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Post by insvorloc on Mar 5, 2015 6:36:26 GMT
I connected with Blackgates - castings and plans are available for the Duchess of Hamilton.
I want to build the Duchess in the William A Stanier 46256 version. This version has a different rear locomotive frame and pony truck than all the earlier Duchesses. This was one of the last two ever built, they were 46256 & 46257, both with the modified rear frame and pony truck.
Does anyone know where I might be able to obtain detailed drawings of the rear frame and pony truck of 46256 or 46257 that I can use for building? Any ideas would be appreciated.
Thanks.
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Post by ejparrott on Mar 5, 2015 9:35:09 GMT
There is an awesome book avaliable which was written in connection with the NRM, LMS Locomotive profiles I think it's called. It is an excellent reference manual for all things related to the Duchess' (well, the one relating to the Duchess' is anyway...there's a whole library of them dedicated to each type of engine) and you will find no better history of the engines. There are a considerable number of drawings in it, not sure if the exact ones you want are there, otherwise it's a trip to the archives at the NRM and a search through the drawing lists so you can buy a copy.
Well recommended
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2015 9:42:55 GMT
Hi! I'd suggest the NRM for drawings, Sir William A. Stanier F.R.S. and City of Salford (the other Ivatt modded Duchess) also had a different shaped cab as well as the rear truck, they were also fitted with roller bearings all round including the tender I believe.  Cheers Ben |
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