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Post by ettingtonliam on Jan 23, 2019 1:23:49 GMT
Yes, I wondered that as well. Were there no stops on turret travel to prevent the gunners from blasting the bridge structure into tiny bits?
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Post by delaplume on Jan 23, 2019 2:22:43 GMT
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Post by delaplume on Jan 23, 2019 2:32:00 GMT
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Post by delaplume on Jan 23, 2019 2:48:36 GMT
Monthly Committee meeting at Oswestry MES Track site-----Occasional snow, slight N/E wind, Visibility fair to good, traffic heavy but moving..
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Post by ilvaporista on Jan 23, 2019 5:44:45 GMT
Monthly Committee meeting at Oswestry MES Track site-----Occasional snow, slight N/E wind, Visibility fair to good, traffic heavy but moving.. If it's snowing in Oswestry it will slow the tracklaying down. The newly formed Tuesday Team managed to lay 3 track panels to continue progress on the CHR extension to Weston. As ever I updated the blog with progress. ilvaporista.blogspot.com
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Post by delaplume on Jan 23, 2019 9:37:10 GMT
Monthly Committee meeting at Oswestry MES Track site-----Occasional snow, slight N/E wind, Visibility fair to good, traffic heavy but moving.. If it's snowing in Oswestry it will slow the tracklaying down. The newly formed Tuesday Team managed to lay 3 track panels to continue progress on the CHR extension to Weston. As ever I updated the blog with progress. ilvaporista.blogspot.comsorry-----I meant it was snowing in Telford just as I was typing the thread
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 10:32:25 GMT
Yes, I wondered that as well. Were there no stops on turret travel to prevent the gunners from blasting the bridge structure into tiny bits? Yes there would be a restriction to the firing arc when the superstructure is in the way, I'm not sure what this entailed for Cossack, from what I've seen there can be stops, perhaps physical (most likely a geared stop on the turret ring) and for lighter AA guns a metal cage (for want of a better word) where the gun barrel couldn't go lower, these can be a metal framed arch. If you look at the bottom left of the picture you'll see that 'A' turret is prohibited from firing, i.e. the gunnery control image shows 'A' turret as 'orange', needs to be 'green' to fire. Under normal firing conditions, guns were controlled by the Fire control directors which would also be limited in their arc. As for effects of blast, that's a different thing altogether, not such an issue for the smaller ships like Cossack but for Battleships they did suffer damage from their own guns during a battle. Ships would try not to fire directly forward as the blast could buckle the forward decks, on the 'Nelson' class for example the bridge had to be redesigned as the blast from the third turret (some call it 'X', it should probably be called 'C' as it's in front of the bridge) would blow out the bridge windows, this still happened even when the windows were toughened resulting in a redesigned bridge. Crew couldn't stand on the decks from a Battleship fired it's guns, the blast would kill them. Bismarck knocked out is own radar when firing it's main guns at HMS Northfolk during that famous engagement. Pete
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Post by delaplume on Jan 23, 2019 10:45:32 GMT
Here's a couple of publicity shots from the USS Iowa showing the blast effect on the water ------------> -------->
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Post by delaplume on Jan 23, 2019 10:47:18 GMT
Yes, I wondered that as well. Were there no stops on turret travel to prevent the gunners from blasting the bridge structure into tiny bits? Yes there would be a restriction to the firing arc when the superstructure is in the way, I'm not sure what this entailed for Cossack, from what I've seen there can be stops, perhaps physical (most likely a geared stop on the turret ring) and for lighter AA guns a metal cage (for want of a better word) where the gun barrel couldn't go lower, these can be a metal framed arch. If you look at the bottom left of the picture you'll see that 'A' turret is prohibited from firing, i.e. the gunnery control image shows 'A' turret as 'orange', needs to be 'green' to fire. Under normal firing conditions, guns were controlled by the Fire control directors which would also be limited in their arc. As for effects of blast, that's a different thing altogether, not such an issue for the smaller ships like Cossack but for Battleships they did suffer damage from their own guns during a battle. Ships would try not to fire directly forward as the blast could buckle the forward decks, on the 'Nelson' class for example the bridge had to be redesigned as the blast from the third turret (some call it 'X', it should probably be called 'C' as it's in front of the bridge) would blow out the bridge windows, this still happened even when the windows were toughened resulting in a redesigned bridge. Crew couldn't stand on the decks from a Battleship fired it's guns, the blast would kill them. Bismarck knocked out is own radar when firing it's main guns at HMS Northfolk during that famous engagement. Pete It might just be simple electrical interlocking ??
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Post by delaplume on Jan 23, 2019 11:14:36 GMT
I thought you might like to watch this}---- Contains some good, original material including big guns firing in anger !!! ---------> youtu.be/m5jy8AGlNrc
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 11:42:19 GMT
I thought you might like to watch this}---- Contains some good, original material including big guns firing in anger !!! ---------> youtu.be/m5jy8AGlNrcAh, yes, I know this battle very well, it was made into a good film too even though the ships used bar one were wrong. I have a 1/96th hull in the old workshop that I built decades ago that I had moulded and cast by a good friend in the plasterers shop whilst working on the first Harry Potter, I bought the works drawings from Greenwich some time in the 80's. Never did get around to building her, the hull got damaged , I may one day cut it down and make a large water line model.... thing is I then got the 'steam' bug so this looks unlikely but we shall see... Pete
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Post by ettingtonliam on Jan 23, 2019 13:26:10 GMT
I thought you might like to watch this}---- Contains some good, original material including big guns firing in anger !!! ---------> youtu.be/m5jy8AGlNrcIs it just me, or is there a lot more smoke and a lot less flame from the 'River Plate' big gun footage compared to USS 'Iowa'?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 14:26:26 GMT
I thought you might like to watch this}---- Contains some good, original material including big guns firing in anger !!! ---------> youtu.be/m5jy8AGlNrcIs it just me, or is there a lot more smoke and a lot less flame from the 'River Plate' big gun footage compared to USS 'Iowa'? There's a big difference in the size of the guns, Graff Spee was a pocket battleship with 11" guns, whereas the Iowa was a proper battleship with 16" guns. There will be different properties involved, the Germans preferred lighter shells with a higher velocity, whereas other nations tended to follow the British with heavy shells resulting in lower velocity shells. Pete
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2019 16:51:10 GMT
I took this picture earlier today, well while waiting for paint to harden, a few hours on the computer is good for the soul... Here's a close up of Cossack's turrets, you can see the safety rails around the sides of the upper gun platform, stopping the lower gun from being able to train onto the superstructure if the limit stops fail. I think Alan is right, an electrical cut out switch makes good sense, perhaps a hard stop if that fails and the safety rails as a last resort? The 3D models in this game are spot on, their accuracy is first rate. Pete
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Post by David on Jan 24, 2019 5:18:45 GMT
Had a frustrating morning! Went to glazier looking for thin polycarbonate or perspex for the cab windows. They don't have thin enough but suggested I go to big box store and I can cut a small amount from a roll there. Went to builders merchants to return a paving brick I'd borrowed. Asked if they could recommend a paver to fix up my driveway as I can't find one. They said 'good luck - you've got Buckley's chance'. There is such a huge amount of building and renovating around here tradespeople are booked out months in advance or just say 'not interested'. I cant do DIY renovations - just useless at it. Went to metal merchant. Didn't get the nice bloke who usually does us MEs a bit of a favour. Got 'the other one'. Charged me full price for a bit of 4.8 x 72mm brass ($30 for 200mm length!) and also charged $3 each for two cuts. I'd taken the cab in hoping it would give them a bit of encouragement to be lenient but no luck. Looked for an air compressor shop my friend told me about to buy some 8mm OD x 5mm ID hose after eBay merchant sent the wrong stuff, and some fittings. Shop not found. Went to big box store but they only had either 3mm stuff flat or 0.8mm rolled up and wanted $25 for it. I left it there. I did have some luck getting more of those red filters we use in the tenders. $2.20 each and they are 'strainers' not filters. Was going to get finer meshed ones but they don't have the same seats on the bottom. When I got home and my boss writes to me that there's been a major flap overnight because some other team won't bring their software build process up to date and somehow it's our problem. It was a two line fix for them, about 30 files for us and now an ongoing headache when we have to bring new bugfixes back to that old release. I suggested we tell them to get @#$ Ed but he didn't go for it. And my son says the phone I bought him seems to be broken after all, after I was supposed to return it on Monday but it looked like it might work so we tested it a couple of extra days. So now I have to convince the eBay merchant the intermittent fault is real and we should get a refund. Of course son threw out the box and headphone wrapper etc. Should be fun. Then I noticed I'd been too eager when riveting the angles to the cabside and put two rivets in that shouldn't be there - they're not even in the angles! So I have to drill them out. That's sort of funny at least. Too scared to go into the workshop today. It'll probably burn down or the mogul will turn to dust before my eyes!
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Post by mugbuilder on Jan 24, 2019 6:31:23 GMT
You don't get a medal for suffering, glad you are getting it checked.
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Post by Jim on Jan 24, 2019 7:46:46 GMT
I took this picture earlier today, well while waiting for paint to harden, a few hours on the computer is good for the soul... Here's a close up of Cossack's turrets, you can see the safety rails around the sides of the upper gun platform, stopping the lower gun from being able to train onto the superstructure if the limit stops fail. I think Alan is right, an electrical cut out switch makes good sense, perhaps a hard stop if that fails and the safety rails as a last resort? The 3D models in this game are spot on, their accuracy is first rate. Pete That picture is brilliant Pete what is the game called?
Jim
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2019 9:40:58 GMT
Hi Jim The game is World of Warships...I've been involved since Alpha testing which IIRC is 4 years. I'm very interested in naval warfare strategy games. Prior to this I was heavily involved in a game called 'Navyfield', in fact I was in charge of all players and the forum, over 250k. It was a great time in my life, both the community and game owners/developers trusted in my decisions giving me the final say in decisions relating to the players and a voice in board decisions. For example I argued against a complete block on all Chinese IP's, an argument that held up and the plan was scrapped. It was a great time I made many friends across the world who I'm still in contact with today via FB, I have met a few dozen in person too. In my role I was also taken across the world, LA to Seoul. I miss the community, I don't miss the constant battles in defending players from a ban, many of which I overturned for being petty and not good for the community spirit. I eventually quit over one more stupid decision by a guy who was my direct contact, alas the game collapsed soon after with most Devs moving on or sacked by the CEO, including the guy who I finally said 'enough is enough' and walked away from. SDE (the game owners) later tried to rebuild the game, it is still running today but a shadow of it's former self. I was approached to help but declined, I had moved on to WoWS. Many ex NF players are in the new game which is nice... There you go, a part life story of my involvement in online naval warfare games... Pete
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Post by Jim on Jan 24, 2019 13:27:44 GMT
Thanks for that background Pete. The graphics of HMS Cossack that you showed in your post looked fantastic and brought back memories of a book I read as a teenager of the prisoners captured by the Graf Spee being transported back to Germany on the Altmark when it was fortuitously intercepted by HMS Cossack. I could almost hear 'Hearts of Oak' playing in the background when, in the book the prisoners in the Altmark's hold were greeted by the RN boarding party with the words, 'the Navy's here.' Stirring stuff for a teenage boy. Jim
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Post by JonL on Jan 24, 2019 14:06:54 GMT
Limb tweaking day. Trying out a new leg that might give me better control of my mountain bike.
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