That is very kind John. The latest is that I have emailed the Bluebell railway and found that 'Fenchurch is undergoing a MAJOR overhaul, almost a rebuild requiring new frames. So my original thought was to visit the Railway and take measurements of the engine. This does not now seem possible, so I am left with trying to do my best from photos, or seeing if there are other 'Terriers' similar enough to use. Julian knows a lot about 'Terriers' and says that almost every one was different when they were converted from wooden brakes. I am waiting to see what comes back from the 'Bluebell'. I enclose a couple of pictures I took of 'Fenchurch' many years ago, as this is what I am basing my A1X version on.
Adam I have just read your post. Any up-to-date news on Fenchurch would be great. Are the old frames still in existence for example. The measurements I require are all the parts of the brake gear (excluding the hand brake). It is rather too much to ask you to do, but any info on whether it is still possible to get at the frames, brake hangers brake blocks etc would be very helpful. (see the images here).
One of the P class tank engines, No. 27, is undergoing a major rebuild with new cylinders and main frame plates and some other frame parts. Fenchurch is scheduled to be overhauled for its 150th anniversary in 2022 but I don't believe work has started on dismantling it yet. Access to it might be problematical at the moment as the main shed at Sheffield Park is being re-roofed as a prelude to the Accessible Steam Heritage (ASH) exhibition being installed. Consequently all the locomotives are being stored in other locations, although last time I looked it was in the Milk Dock road next to platform 2 at Sheffield Park.
Unfortunately I'm just a society member so don't have contact details, although the best people would be Chris Hunford as the railway's Locomotive Director, or someone like the Loco Works Manager Chris Shepherd might be more appropriate. Sometimes sending a message via the Bluebell's Facebook page helps as well because the people who look after it are more clued up as to how it should be forwarded on.
Things will be busy at the moment with Christmas and Santa specials in full swing so please don't be offended if there isn't a quick reply.
Always considered the Terrier's a very well proportioned design and have fond memories of Fenchurch taking the four coach Metropolitan 'Chesham' set up to Kingscote and back on a frosty late November day towards the end of its last boiler ticket. I'm sure your model will be equally as impressive in looks and scale performance.
Many thanks Dan - you are quite right they will be busy as I know as a volunteer on the South Devon Railway. I will wait until after the New Year when things have settled. Thanks for the contacts. You are quite right about the 'Terriers'. A very pretty locomotive and manageable at 7.25" gauge. Stroudley was well ahead of his time and there are all sorts of little innovations including the feed-water heating, crosshead pumps and pump valves, speedometer, track warning, even putting the driver's name in the cab to instil pride in the drivers. They kept their engines clean and woe betide any driver who left the engine dirty! Also there are very full drawings of the engine and it's companions in 'The Engineer' and 'Engineering'. It is an ideal engine for the serious modeller. The frames are very light with several large holes in them. He cleverly stiffened them by using an 'A' section along the top of the frame and taking the drag beam forward to a stretcher adjacent to the rear horns. The horn keeps were also locked into the horns to ensure stiffness. There is something about the balance of the engine - it 'looks' right. I fell in love with it both in it's original colour and in BR livery. It is a pity that it was not left that way. I have not seen 'Fenchurch' since being converted back to A1, but unless they have changed the boiler, the dome will be in the wrong position amongst other things.
A few more Christmas pictures of the build. There were no casting for the 7.25G version when I started so with the advice given by my friend Max Edward (sadly deceased) who was trained at Brown, Lenox and Co - chainmakers in Pontypridd, I had to make my own patterns. My first attempt was shunned by Max and I had to go away and remake the wheel patterns after his instruction.
This is where I am at now - had to make 4 of the fillers. Does slow the build down a bit - two different smokeboxes - went for the easier one first. The A1 version is very short with straight sides and no saddle.
Thanks Bob. Actually you don't know how near you are to the truth. When I retired, I went to West Dean College to learn to restore antique clocks. We used to call those 'Napolean Hats'! Off to the dentist now - ugh!
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I work at the Isle of Wight steam railway where we have w8 freshwater and w11 Newport. If it helps, if you need measurements or pictures at any time please give me a message and I shall see what I can do. Thanks Dan
Got: Sweet pea 0-4-2 5" 'Jim Jewell'
Committee member of the Isle of Wight Model Engineering Society.
Looking at Keith Wilsons 'ARIEL' Merchant Navy.
Many thanks Dan - that is a very kind offer. I should like to visit the Isle of Wight again - the last time was in the 1960s. Somewhere I have a railway ticket from Cowes to Newport just before the line closed. It was still steam - I think I was going to the model engineer exhibition on the Island which must have been in Newport. I remember even in those days that the island had a sleepy feel and it felt like going back 15 years compared to the mainland. I rather liked it. Going back even further, my family has connections with the Island in 1800, where my great-great-great-grandfather was a brick burner. His son also worked on the Island and then the family followed the clay, going first to Petersfield and ending near Poole in Dorset. This is where my great-grandfather and great-grandmother met! He was manager of the brickworks in Kinson, Longfleet.
Can anybody help please. I have got a bit further forward with the smokebox of the A1X version and need some soft rivets with 1/8" diameter heads. Are rivets specified by shank size and if so what size would I ask for, for 1/8" diameter heads? Also Where is the best place to get rivets from. I would prefer soft iron, but failing that I assume copper would be softer than brass?