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Post by Lisa on Dec 31, 2018 3:39:57 GMT
I don't know what people did before they stared at their phones for hours without blinking (maybe stared at the wall?) As I ponder the habits I hope to instil in my children, I'm conscious Automation / AI / Robots will relieve them of many menial tasks and free them up to explore their creativity. That's what leading educators are saying: teach them to be human; critical thinking, communication, the Arts. Soft skills that robots can't bring to life... I find it quite fascinating the way we (people in general) are 'taking a step back' in many ways to older ways, yet in a new way; as automated production and supply becomes more and more of a thing, many people are taking the time to build and create on their own. For some it's art, for others engineering, and some rather wondrous combinations of both. I like to think that what all this automation is leading us to is a point where the basics of our needs are taken care of, and we'll reach a point where working 'for a living' is a ludicrous idea (if we're not already there), but where our wants are fed from raw materials coming from that automation and through hand crafting, and cottage industries.
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Post by delaplume on Dec 31, 2018 4:27:36 GMT
Hi Dazza, I thought so too.....I didn’t take it myself but have others like it but not nearly so good. Sleeping Giants! Don Hi Don, Has anyone built a 5" gauge 9F with the Giesel ejector on ??.................The final chase scenes in the film Von Ryan's Express show a lovely Italian loco hauling the German troop train with that odd-looking exhaust coming from the ejector just in front of the cab on the R/H side of the boiler..
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Post by doubletop on Dec 31, 2018 5:56:40 GMT
Hi Dazza, I thought so too.....I didn’t take it myself but have others like it but not nearly so good. Sleeping Giants! Don Hi Don, Has anyone built a 5" gauge 9F with the Giesel ejector on ??.................The final chase scenes in the film Von Ryan's Express show a lovely Italian loco hauling the German troop train with that odd-looking exhaust coming from the ejector just in front of the cab on the R/H side of the boiler.. Alan Wrong thread again?
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Post by delaplume on Dec 31, 2018 7:37:50 GMT
Hi Don, Has anyone built a 5" gauge 9F with the Giesel ejector on ??.................The final chase scenes in the film Von Ryan's Express show a lovely Italian loco hauling the German troop train with that odd-looking exhaust coming from the ejector just in front of the cab on the R/H side of the boiler.. Alan Wrong thread again? No, not really--------- the first time it appeared to me to be misplaced, so I deleted and tried again...........This time Don's response to Dazza was included but not the photo of the 2 9F's and it was these in particular that had prompted my question to Don.........and after all it is 9F's that's the main part of his motivation, and motivation is the main part of this thread's title.......... However I take what I think is the real point behind your question ie}----Straying off-thread and would thus ask Don ( and others ) to perhaps PM me with the answer ..Thanks. Alan
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Post by mbrown on Dec 31, 2018 9:28:26 GMT
Interesting to reflect on the inherited element in the compulsion to make things...
My father was a very practical DiY person - every project he undertook involved some improvement on the original design. I was usually deputed to "hold this!", "Go and get that!" - usually when I was trying to do something else - and he lost his temper so often when things didn't go quite right that I am amazed I wasn't put off practical projects for life. It must be more about nature than nurture….
My stepson has taken to model engineering - 16mm live steam - and recently bought a nice ML7 so his workshop is now almost as good as mine. My own son hasn't got the practical streak at all. So no inherited abilities or motivations in the next generation of my family - must be nurture not nature after all!
Malcolm
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Post by David on Dec 31, 2018 9:33:07 GMT
My father was a diesel mechanic, marine engineer, fitter & turner, and finally a draftsman working for the railway companies around Clyde in Sydney. He worked on the alterations necessary for the HST to become the XPT and our 81 class diesel. He could make or fix anything. Sadly he had no interest in passing these skills on - it was just a job to him. Mum couldn't drive so I spent my childhood catching trains everywhere, and she used to take me to the West Ryde track in Sydney when I was small, but I don't really remember that.
I had a 'model railway' in the loosest sense of the word in my early teens, read the occasional model railway magazine after I grew up, and dabbled in O scale after I got married but never finished even one model, and had no desire for a 'layout'.
My father-in-law is train-mad and into 5" gauge live steam so after we moved 3 hours west of Sydney to where the in-laws lived and were living in a house rather than a flat it seemed like a reasonable idea to start on the live steam hobby and set up a workshop.
My career is software development so for over 30 years I've been creating things in my head and not making anything tangible. I started getting a bit annoyed with that, and wanted to build something real.
I started a 'Blowfly' while we were still in Sydney, making the side tanks. Then after we moved out here and lived in a house with a garage rather than a 3rd floor flat, I bought a terrible lathe the locals found me a 'Blowfly' that had been made by 'Mugbuilder' (who also designed it) that had been taken to bits and never put back together. So I bought that and did what I could to get it running with help from Mugbuilder and father-in-law. That was a good introduction to making things for me and fixing all the things I stuffed up has been valuable experience, if frustrating.
For my 40th birthday I bought myself a much better lathe - albeit still 'cheap' Chinese but there's nothing wrong with it - and a milling machine which was okay except for the gearbox which was garbage. I rebuilt the gearbox and tuned the fine-feed mechanism over the last winter and it runs much better now. I used those to keep working on the Blowfly, making a tender for it etc.
About 6 years ago the mogul project turned up which my father-in-law urged me to get in on so I could build a loco from start to finish and end up with a proper scale loco. I'm very pleased to be working on this design because (a) the designer and original model are local to me so there is a lot of help at hand and I know it works, and (b) it's a model of a real loco that doesn't have as many concessions as a lot of designs so it should look like what it's a model of.
So my motivations are that I like trains, mechanics must be in the genes somewhere given the old man's abilities, I'm sick of making nothing but zeros and ones, and it's a good way for me to socialize because I work from home and my nearest team-mates for the last 10 years are in California and India, I've never met them so I have no work-mates! I love ships and boats too, but Sydney harbour is a long way from here so trains it is. I wouldn't want to make model boats, I'd just like to work on real ones. I have no great nostalgia for steam trains because they'd gone by the time I was born but I do like them simply for what they are.
Additional motivation is my club has a lot of builders in it so there is a lot of encouragement and experience. I don't think I'd have spent the time and money on the hobby if I was a lone wolf - it's not at all relaxing to me - it turned out I find building things quite stressful. But I am looking forward to having a different loco to drive and hopefully one that people admire.
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Post by Midland on Dec 31, 2018 10:43:56 GMT
Have had a chance to follow his thread and what an interesting story or stories from each of you.
Of course, talking about one’s self is good for the ego so here goes. But first of all, Pete, I think you get an Oscar for having a job of jobs, all play, well done, Sir!!!!!
My motivation is that I like trains and that was put into my blood by a grandfather and father who nurtured it. The story goes that my grandfather used to chase new locos. He would put his three young sons in the car and go off to see the latest new loco, probably a GNR Pacific. In those days this was cutting edge technology. One day the front wheel came off the car, smashed into a shop, Granddad went in and retrieved it and told the shopkeeper that we would be back. Wheel back on with no delay and off they went. He did go back and pay!
Another story Dad told was how he saw a ‘Crab’ for the first time. tHe family lived in Mill Hill and the garden stretched down to the railway line, Midland of course, and word was out. Along came the first 6 coupled passenger engine he had ever seen. My elder son saw the first space shuttle launch, same reaction. Dad had Bassett-Lowke railway stuff that came out every Christmas, the best times in my life.
After the war, we moved to Canada, Dad with International Paper, and we had a basement. O gauge was set up permanently. One Xmas I received my first loco, the Bassett-Lowke Mogul kit. I built it (with a little help from Dad) and it worked spewing oil everywhere so the clockwork locos would spin their wheels and go nowhere!!!! All I gathered was an ever-increasing library to escape into. One book that is burned in my memory is the B-L handbook showing such railways as Captain Tovey’s 10 ¼ inch around his estate. One day that will be me!!! What a dreamer!
Never stopped loving my trains but, education, career, children, career, divorce, career, etc rather curtailed any opportunity. I worked for Procor in Canada managing a leased fleet of freight cars. When I was sent to England and ended up running the operations in Brum and I got to play with big ones, Lots of fun. Went to hallowed ground at Doncaster in Gresley’s office and briefly sat in his chair. One day Pete, you may touch my bottom!! Drove Class 47s, stayed up all night watching a 37 being re-railed and took all my managers out to understand it and with an all regions pass could go more or less where I Iiked.
But Maggie chucked her train set out of her pram and we (US and Canada) decided that UK rail freight was going to be an issue so sold the whole lot. I ended up staying in the UK. Jump forward to Southampton and second wife. She found out that I had a Princess of Wales, not seen for ten years or so, and about a hitherto hidden love of rail. Found the SSME and marched me down to Riverside Park. Bless her she was able to rejuvenate my passion of rail. She organised an ML10 through one of our members. We sold a sextant and bought a milling machine (I was a sailor too), I bought a book on how to do lathe and mill work and hey presto I was a model engineer.
SimplyLoco will call me an imprecise destroyer of metal and he is correct. The value of this forum is that I have learnt more here than from any of my books but they do help each other. I am not an engineer! I do love my locos though and so my motivation is to try to marry my love of trains with a chance to learn about and to do some of these esoteric arts that you chaps practice. Perhaps I should add, "to do successfully".SL keeps me on track though, Thanks John Cheers David
PS Echo stress test afternoon, then the hurts start!!!!!!
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Post by Lisa on Dec 31, 2018 10:56:15 GMT
My career is software development so for over 30 years I've been creating things in my head and not making anything tangible. I started getting a bit annoyed with that, and wanted to build something real. Yeah, I know that feeling, it was the same for me, getting back into the workshop after years working in software development was an eye-opener; suddenly having a thing I could look at, hold in my hands, and actually feel, was a great motivator to Do Something.
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Post by barlowworks on Dec 31, 2018 10:58:59 GMT
Hi everybody
With all this talk of motivation I thought I would just comment on what is not motivating me at the moment. Recently I have had a lack of workshop mojo. That has been down to two things. Firstly I picked up a nasty chest infection in the autumn and didn't feel much like going into the workshop and secondly there was an O gauge LNER A4 waiting there for me which, though it is finely detailed is the hardest kit I have built in 40 years of gauge modelling and has not been at all enjoyable . Unfortunately it's not for me but one of my collegues who has been patiently waiting for it for 3 years. Consequently there has been little done on the Britannia recently. The A4 is now nearing completion so I should get back to some model engineering soon. Grumble over.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2018 11:16:20 GMT
which A4 kit Mike?....I'm aware of the DJH and Martin Finney kits and also the partworks Mallard which I have myself, a very well detailed kit although not as good as a Martin Finney model
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Post by Lisa on Dec 31, 2018 11:37:49 GMT
Reminds me I've got a Flying Scotsman partwork I still haven't built. I was going to get a motor and gearbox for it, but that just never happened.
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Post by ilvaporista on Dec 31, 2018 14:21:36 GMT
I am not sure where to start, so probably a waffle about the progression from model railways to engineering. The whole family is tied up one way or another with modelling in all scales. I guess it sort of started with my brother's first train set and dad photographing the last days of steam in the NW of England. Early history of my brother is best covered on his web pages. www.lupts.org.uk/bmw-aboutus.htmThe 00 model railway grew and took over the basement of the house in the Lake District. My part was a narrow gauge feeder line in 009, sowing the seeds for my small loco fascination. Growing up I have been incredibly lucky to see so many facets of engineering. Dad used to take us round his work sites and I have sat in and operated all sorts of construction machines. This meant building 'models' of all sorts of mechanical contraptions. I used to spend all my free time building things from cardboard, Bilofix, Lego and then Meccano. My uncle said I had wonderful hands. He took me round Foden's works one Saturday morning adding another dimension to my interests. I never used to sit still and always had ideas or projects in hand. My sketch books from years ago still make me dizzy with all of the future plans. I suppose the first real thing I built, about aged 10 was Brave Moppie, a balsa model of an offshore powerboat. The cost of the radio control stopped final completion, though later I did build an RC system from kits supplied by Micron. We are all pretty practical so every job around the house was eventually done by one of us, the ultimate threat from Mum was 'to get a man' to do something, that usually spurred one of us in to action. In that way we acquired the skills to tackle almost anything. The local, Farnham, model railway club was a happy hunting ground and we used to build at least one layout a year for the exhibition. It was also a prime recruiter for the early Mid Hants Railway and so began working on the big stuff. Trips to Barry scapyard and working on the freshly arrived Jinty lead me to make a start on Molly in 3 1/2" gauge. I found an old lathe, entirely unsuitable for the smaller stuff, but I had a lathe. It sat in the garden for 6 months as the shed was rebuilt with a 6" thick concrete slab mixed by hand. Many other projects were started and some were even completed. A 16mm steam tram from an old Mamod gave lots of fun. So the seeds of a family 5" garden railway were sown, which eventually was named the GE&SBR. Supposedly the Guildford Elstead and South Bourne Railway but really the Grazed Elbow and Sore Bum railway due to tight clearances and no springing. I built multiple electric locos (7+) from all sorts of odds and ends, some lasted days others years. The railway is still there in the UK and gave much enjoyment to my young sons. University (with summer jobs on building sites) then post grad (some in South Africa) came and went and I was enticed by an offer of 2 years working in Italy, that was 29 years ago and today I am still here. Marriage and young family came and a short time back in the UK had me rebuilding a house from a shell (the only thing I contracted out was plastering, I am hopeless at that..) studying evenings for a Masters, working as a project manager in the auto industry and with two sons under 5. Not much model engineering done during this time but I built up a workshop of sorts. Back to Italy I gradually collected more workshop equipment on the basis of almost zero spend. My one big purchase was an Atlas lathe from a board member on here. Then came a period of maximum travel all over the world during which time I would plan all my workshop activities to be as productive as possible in the shortest possible time. I am a workshop person who enjoys making things and learning new skills rather than running my models. I am a classic hoarder and cannot resist tools or machines or projects for that matter. I have enough to keep me going to at least 150 years old. I am embarrassed to say how many projects I had underway but three years ago things came into sharp focus when I had a medical issue and was told that one potential outcome was limited remaining time. A year of tests, treatments and a big change of lifestyle brought things in to focus and the workshop was virtually untouched for a year as I was in shock. I vowed to stop doing any work for others and concentrate my time only on my projects. I have promised each of my three sons their own steam loco and so projects are more focused to achieving that aim. Tich and Toad took to the rails this year and following on behind are Hunslets in 5" and 7 1/4". I have probabily built about 5 steam locos but only finished one... that sounds strange but I have done many different parts of many projects. I am coming back to enjoying my workshop sessions after a dark period and it will take time but at least I am not short of things to get stuck in to. My own sons have limited interest in Model Engineering but the eldest two know their way around tools. Together with my eldest we built many cockpits and flight simulators, number 2 welds much better than me and as yet number 3 seems only interested in touch screens and electrons. During all of this time the Parker family kept up the stand at the GMES summer show with dad (Len) treadling the old Unimat SL for 30 years. We have made many friends over the years and feel very privileged to be part of this fantastic hobby.
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Post by simplyloco on Dec 31, 2018 14:44:58 GMT
What's this talk of inherited skill and motivation? My late father was born in a Southampton brothel, brought up in a workhouse, was semi-literate all of his life and deaf as a post, worked as a bulldozer/crane/roadsweeper driver, and relied on me and my younger brother to fix things for him. No wonder I left home at 15 to join the Royal Engineers and made my own way! Happy New Year to all. John PS. Just been to see David, who looks fine. He is going for a Echo Scan today, whatever that is!
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Post by barlowworks on Dec 31, 2018 15:37:12 GMT
which A4 kit Mike?....I'm aware of the DJH and Martin Finney kits and also the partworks Mallard which I have myself, a very well detailed kit although not as good as a Martin Finney model Pete Hi Pete The current bane of my life is the DJH A4. Don't get me wrong, it is a fine kit and the detail is superb but a lot of the parts are a scale thickness and that makes them quite fragile. It would look good in a showcase but making it into a sensible working model takes a lot more doing. Also, having once made a loco that I then nearly had to destroy in order to repair it I vowed to always make my locos so they can be fully stripped down for painting and maintenance. This, of course is also extra work. I keep telling myself that it's nearly finished but when I look at the etches there still look a lot of parts left. ☹️ Mike
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2018 15:52:35 GMT
I hear what you're saying, Mike...As stated I have the partworks 'Mallard' which is a very nice kit, I've done a little too it but not much, loco and tender chassis in early stages, cab, boiler which is cast metal, this is easy to remove from the chassis but heavy and I suspect very easy to damage the etched chassis if not careful.I'll finish it one day, I also have an untouched Gresley A1 with corridor tender from Martin Finney (original) along with a lot of extra castings from Laurie Griffin. I have completed two Jim McCowen models, a J71 (or is it J72?) and an LNER brake van, all LNER of course. One day I'll look at building a model railway, in fact, I have recently been looking at possible locations along the ECML, lots of interesting possibilities. I have also played around with Templot and built a B6 turnout using Templot for the template re-gauged to 31.5 mm to stop wheels dropping into it when crossing. I will finish the big one before doing any more, the way I look at it I should be able to still do the 'O' stuff when I'm too fragile for the big stuff.. well that's the plan, I may even dabble in G1 too... Pete
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Post by jem on Dec 31, 2018 17:33:26 GMT
Oh Dear, I don't really have any interest building models , so perhaps should be banned from this forum. My interest has always been in making things, taking things to bits, to see how they work and repairing things. So for me this forum is a huge hive of knowledge, so much information just for the asking. I admire tremendously the incredible skills that are shown in model making, and reading the threads there is so much to learn.So many beautiful models.
For me my interest is in making things that can be useful to me in my house and garden, and the most satisfying of all was building a digger,so now holes and trenches in the ground are no problem, and equipment I made for my tractor makes moving things around no problem either. I built my house block by block 40 years ago, and one day I will go out of it feet first. In those days I was able to do all the electric work and pluming for the house, without some official breathing down my neck. those were the days!
Am I the only one here who is not really a model engineer but an interloper. please don't chuck me out!!
and a happy New Year to you all and thank you all who have helped me in the past years
Jem
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Post by mbrown on Dec 31, 2018 18:37:29 GMT
Oh Dear, I don't really have any interest building models , so perhaps should be banned from this forum. …. Am I the only one here who is not really a model engineer but an interloper. please don't chuck me out!! and a happy New Year to you all and thank you all who have helped me in the past years Jem This thread - and this forum - are (IMHO) all about celebrating the different approaches we all take. No question of "chucking anyone out"! If we did, how would we learn anything new? Malcolm
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Post by JonL on Dec 31, 2018 22:21:26 GMT
I love that there are so many backgrounds. It's a hobby that brings a lot of different types of people together. Although at my last Model Engineering AGM I noticed there were a lot of bald heads and beards... I've got a beard but also a lip ring and a false leg, I'm sure they think I'm a pirate.
I spent a lot of time with my Grandad growing up as I wasn't well enough for school, so I spent a lot of time in his workshop, general engineering. Up until the age of around 16 I loved steam locomotives. Then I discovered cars...
Fast forward on to now, I'm 39 and have rediscovered my enjoyment of steam. However I'm now -1 Grandad, and +1 lathe. I've built myself a rickety workshop and started teaching myself. And unlike every other fad I've ever had, I'm not completely dreadful at this... it makes me content, even if what I make is still very amateur (but improving!).
I love to make things, and a locomotive is the ideal thing to make, complex and "alive" when completed and fired. I chose a Britannia through chance really; I was looking for something to build that would suit my amateur status, but when a full set of castings pops up on eBay for £100 or so, you pounce no matter how much of a challenge it will be... I drove straight to Bromsgrove to collect it. It turned out a model engineer had started it and a couple of steam wagons, then passed away. All I know about him is that his name was Paul. I don't think he was much older than me. His sister sold me the castings.
It's the first hobby I've ever had that has felt this rewarding. It's been almost life changing. It provides a real contrast from my stressful day job.
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Post by suctionhose on Dec 31, 2018 22:26:26 GMT
This is the earliest family photo indicating a particular obsession emerging! I was either holding the fence because I could not yet stand or I was trying work out how to get over it to get at that engine! Rotorua NZ - how I loved that thing... My father was fortunate in that his two son's each indulged his passions: I, with Engineering and my brother with Music. British readers may be intrigued to know that my Mother, whom lived in Kent during the War, worked making aircraft radios and was a young Air Raid Patrol volunteer (ARP) during the Blitz. Her family moved to NZ with just the clothes on their backs in 1947. Mum was the hardest working, most selfless person ever, whom we kids (4 of us) failed to appreciate until much later in our lives when we had to fend for ourselves. I owe my parents a great debt for their generosity; no, indulgence, without which I could not have spent so much of my youth with engines and workshops. Much to Mum's annoyance, Dad and I talked steam everyday. He was a great reader and loved to share his knowledge. As a Civil Engineer of some seniority he had access to a lot of places and people so family photo's often depict outings to view excavations, concrete pours, dozers diverting rivers, trips down mines and the like. I may have been an 'odd' kid but I wouldn't trade those times for anything! About 1983 I built Dad a 5"g loco - narrow gauge 0-6-2 - this was my second loco but the first to my own design. We had another engine and a track round the house by then. It was quite a successful engine. He loved it. I thought, "Well that's it then. I've done it all. No need to build any more" How wrong I was! I made a point of exploring what 'normal people' were doing. Travelled around. Took up this hobby and that. EMPTY! No depth to it. I had restored a full size TE which had become problematic - where to keep it / transport / sheer hard work - and realised I wasn't enjoying it so sold it and bought a very nice 5" loco again. Self Discovery #2: Never could love someone else's model! For several years, financial stress to get family established etc required that every hour had to pay so my only engagement with my beloved hobby was to take on commissions and work on them at night and weekends. Should have just had 2 jobs - would have paid better - but at least it was model engineering which I enjoyed. Eventually, I got back to private projects and in a ten year period, built 2 more NG 0-6-2's, some wagons and a track at my new house. Self Discovery #3: Don't neglect the good people around you or they go elsewhere! We sold it all up. I saved my tools and moved to a factory unit. Prospects were gloomy. Debts. Expenses. No help. Some body said, "You need to get your teeth into something..." I started building the 50 class 2-8-0. That job lead me out of the darkness, away from depressing thoughts and gave me purpose. It was a model I had been practicing for for a long time. Scale NSW in Sydney is like exhibitions in UK - a lot of people know what they're looking at! Unfortunately, I just caught the tail end of steam in NSW and most of my acquaintances from that scene were 20 yrs older than me. While many of them have been most generous and inclusive toward me, I just wasn't one of them. Traction engines were the available source and that has become my central interest. The McLaren - a 3 speed compound RL - followed and now the Ploughing Engine which has heralded opportunities to explore 2D & 3D CAD, bevel gearing, dog clutches, winding drums and vast amounts of historical information from 1850 on.. Will it ever end?!!!
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Post by doubletop on Dec 31, 2018 22:32:26 GMT
My career is software development so for over 30 years I've been creating things in my head and not making anything tangible. I started getting a bit annoyed with that, and wanted to build something real. Yeah, I know that feeling, it was the same for me, getting back into the workshop after years working in software development was an eye-opener; suddenly having a thing I could look at, hold in my hands, and actually feel, was a great motivator to Do Something. Me too. Those of us who have been in IT for 30 years or more started out when it was interesting and everybody was finding the way ahead. I started when Gates, Jobs, Wozniac et al were still in their garages. Now it’s just shrink-wrapped cookie cutter Lego. These days in IT weeks and months can go by with not a lot to show for it apart from angst and frustration. It would then come together, go live and, ho hum, on to the next thing. I'd come home and go out into the workshop and by the end of the evening have something tangible to show for it. An understanding partner who encouraged me. She pushed me out there at the weekends and would bring me cups of tea every hour or so. Most of the stuff I've done was when I was working. Probably a more structured approach with time constraints encouraging me to get on with the job. Now I’ve retired it’s a bit more laid back and I deliberately keep myself out of the workshop to engage with others rather than becoming some sort of recluse. Pete
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