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Post by delaplume on Jan 17, 2019 0:04:58 GMT
JET power maybe ? ----------> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_European_Torus --------Perhaps our children can be of influence ??------> www.indeed.co.uk/Ccfe-jobs-in-Radley ----- If only we had a material replicator like they do in Star Trek !!.....Unlimited supply of best Welsh Steam Coal... Or it could all end in tears, as in The Philadelphia Experiment ??----https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_Experiment
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 0:35:00 GMT
Many Star Trek ideas have become reality and as we gain in technology so will many others.. IMHO a replicator will happen one day just as a teleporter will, they are both similar in princible. We are a long way off from human teleportation but I believe that it will happen, in fact I'm certain. I think it was IBM who made the first breakthough in the 90's and in 2017 a (IIRC) photon particle was teleported from Earth over 1k kilometers to a satelite in orbit. Once scientists have solved quantum mechanics I'm sure that what's been thought impossible will become reality..Quantum Teleportation is I believe what they called the successful experiment from Earth to space. We probably have a few hundred years before theory becomes fact.
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Post by mbrown on Jan 17, 2019 7:36:26 GMT
This is going a bit off topic, but even if the technology for a teleporter became feasible, the ethical problems would prevent its development. It would take just one programming glitch and instead of coming together after being teleported, your digitised self would be scrambled somewhere in the Cloud... no research laboratory would ever get ethical clearance to do the first teleport on a human subject!
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Post by barlowworks on Jan 17, 2019 9:41:53 GMT
Considering the amount of methane they produce its just a matter of time before we have bovine powered power stations. ๐๐๐
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Post by smallbrother on Jan 17, 2019 18:35:48 GMT
Considering the amount of methane they produce its just a matter of time before we have bovine powered power stations. ๐๐๐ Mike My wife reckons I could do that. What a cheek! Pete.
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Post by steam4ian on Jan 18, 2019 0:50:59 GMT
Considering the amount of methane they produce its just a matter of time before we have bovine powered power stations. ๐๐๐ Mike My wife reckons I could do that. What a cheek! Pete. Better turn the other cheek!
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Post by runner42 on Jan 18, 2019 7:36:12 GMT
This is going a bit off topic, but even if the technology for a teleporter became feasible, the ethical problems would prevent its development. It would take just one programming glitch and instead of coming together after being teleported, your digitised self would be scrambled somewhere in the Cloud... no research laboratory would ever get ethical clearance to do the first teleport on a human subject! Malcolm I agree, if Star Trek's teleporter becomes a reality then also the problems that were encountered in the film "The Fly" Brian
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Post by delaplume on Jan 18, 2019 11:21:12 GMT
This is going a bit off topic, but even if the technology for a teleporter became feasible, the ethical problems would prevent its development. It would take just one programming glitch and instead of coming together after being teleported, your digitised self would be scrambled somewhere in the Cloud... no research laboratory would ever get ethical clearance to do the first teleport on a human subject! Malcolm I agree, if Star Trek's teleporter becomes a reality then also the problems that were encountered in the film "The Fly" Brian This is for the British version}-----At this point we introduce good old "Health & Safety" requirements, risk assesment, PPI, Fly Swat registration( in triplicate !!)...Paper Trail accountability for all material used in the Transporters, etc--etc....Positive Vetting of all personnel involved, .......you get the idea ?? Then there'll be the problem of cheapo Bucket operators dropping you off about 10 miles away from where they say the receptor pod is supposed to be --LoL !! Aye, we're all doomed, Mr Mainwairing---doomed !!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2019 11:35:52 GMT
One thing I guarantee you is that Teleportation will happen, perhaps not in any of our lifetimes in a commercial way, but happen it will. As for teleporting living tissue, well that will be the last thing conquered, for one thing, the storage capacity required will be immense and can probably only be achieved with DNA storage. I had to look up the capacity for DNA storage, 455 billion gigabytes per gram of DNA material, I think that should cover it.. I can't see ethics having any say in it, I mean China is genetically altering humans now and I'm sure will push the limits on what they can achieve in this field, teleportation which has a vast economic benefit, perhaps more than any in the worlds history will be pushed by all countries in due course. I know this is straying further off topic, but hey, it is my topic... Pete
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Post by delaplume on Jan 18, 2019 11:53:32 GMT
As it's a long distance Transportation method then God forbid ---( other Deities are available ) it'll be part of British Railways and thus will come the "Wrong type of fly" excuse I suppose.......
If nothing else it'll cure you of Sugar Diabetes !!
OK--- it's "out to the workshop" time now ----However I'm just keeping a look out for a fly with a white head !!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2019 12:38:36 GMT
If nothing else it'll cure you of Sugar Diabetes !! ah.. well if that's the case, I'd be the first to volunteer, life for me would be a very different affair, very different indeed.. Pete
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Post by mbrown on Jan 18, 2019 18:43:33 GMT
Of course ethics must have a say in it - I am a professional ethicist and I need to secure my job (and jobs for my students). This is about naked self interest!
Seriously, I am currently working on ethics topics with some of the leading people in AI in the UK and they agree teleporting isn't going to happen.
But even AI isn't infallible...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2019 19:24:42 GMT
Seriously, I am currently working on ethics topics with some of the leading people in AI in the UK and they agree teleporting isn't going to happen. But even AI isn't infallible... Malcolm Oh dear... people should never say 'something is never going to happen' it will, this I'm 100% sure about, as are the worlds leading scientists in this field. it's just a case of understanding 'quantum' in all it's guises.. it will happen and it's being worked on right now! it may take 1000 years before people can be teleported but that day will come... a snippet from an article in 2017 quote: Last year Canadian scientists successfully teleported tiny atoms faster than the speed of light. But experts claim thanks to a complicated theory in quantum mechanics, entire objects and even humans can be moved in the same way. The only thing stopping us is that it would take a humungous amount of energy and complex computing to do so. But Saj Saini, a professor at Massachusetts Institute of Technology believes this could be possible as technology and energy sources improve. โNever say never. in a little over a century mankind has advanced from an uncertain new understanding of electrons at an atomic scale, to reliably teleporting them across the room,โ he said. Teleportation isnโt as simple as sending an exact object halfway across the world. As Saini explains in a recent TED talk, a baseball, for example, couldnโt be sent by radio waves, but all the information about it could. If you can read what the quantum state of a baseball is in London, you could send that information around the world and imprint atoms with the same chemical elements in India, where they would be assembled to become the exact same ball. Measuring and collecting this information is possible through a little-understood phenomenon called quantum entanglement โ something that Einstein referred to as โspooky action at a distanceโ. end quote: Since then scientists have first been able to transport atoms across a city and end of last year 1400k into space to a satellite.....it will happen but as I said, not in our lifetime or many others... Pete
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Post by delaplume on Jan 18, 2019 19:49:58 GMT
If nothing else it'll cure you of Sugar Diabetes !! ah.. well if that's the case, I'd be the first to volunteer, life for me would be a very different affair, very different indeed.. Pete Sorry Peter......I wasn't aware.........no harm intended Alan
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2019 19:52:30 GMT
ah.. well if that's the case, I'd be the first to volunteer, life for me would be a very different affair, very different indeed.. Pete Sorry Peter......I wasn't aware.........no harm intended Alan hey.. none taken sir.. none at all....
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Post by delaplume on Jan 18, 2019 20:01:47 GMT
quote}---- "a little-understood phenomenon called quantum entanglement"
Just a quick peek into my workshop will confirm this entity not only exists but is in Real-Time as well.....
I did like that analogy of the ball and it's description though.....
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Post by timb on Jan 19, 2019 18:24:37 GMT
" a little-understood phenomenon called quantum entanglement " Pete I wish they would hurry up and invent 'Quantum Common Sense' and beam it to all the people in charge around the world, what a difference that could make!
Common sense, not so abundant in my experience!
Just my thoughts
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Post by David on Jan 20, 2019 5:53:37 GMT
Seriously, I am currently working on ethics topics with some of the leading people in AI in the UK and they agree teleporting isn't going to happen. What interest do AI people have in teleportation? I can see the obvious link between ethics and AI, possibly ethics and teleportation, but not AI and teleportation - how do they fit together?
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Post by Rob on Jan 20, 2019 11:18:41 GMT
The so called intelligent poiticians and other self centred know it alls. How many scientific predictions have actually come close to what happened subsequently, look at the millenium bug. Nothong at all yet planes wre goin to fall out of the sky ships collide, all data lost did it happen? did it? Ron, I'm a little late to the thread but feel I ought to point out that the millennium bug was very much a problem. The reason we didn't see all of the doom and gloom prophesied (other than the exaggerated rubbish I mean!) is that behind the scenes all of the affected systems were being re-written ahead of time because we were well prepared for it. For software engineers with experience in certain languages it was an incredibly lucrative period as everyone needed to patch systems that hadn't been actively developed in a long time, and the pool of experience was small. We'll likely have another similar exercise in the years leading up to 2038. Just this week my company dealt with a client who had 'run out of numbers'. 2,147,483,647 (2 31 - 1) may seem like an awfully big number when you're initially developing software, but if you leave a system running for decades you might well hit it! What interest do AI people have in teleportation? I can see the obvious link between ethics and AI, possibly ethics and teleportation, but not AI and teleportation - how do they fit together? David, If I had to guess I'd say it might be on the algorithm learning side of things, perhaps to reduce the burden on computing power - spotting patterns and other areas where efficiencies can be made.
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Post by timb on Jan 20, 2019 11:23:49 GMT
Of course ethics must have a say in it -
Totally agree, the problem is some people are so consumed with the fact they could they dont stop to think whether they should!
Taking responsibility for your actions is a fundamental (and often unavoidable part) of engineering, unfortunately it is not something taught much these days, it is refreshing too see someone is still flying the flag so to speak. It always seems to be someone else' fault these days.
Tim
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