mbrown
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Post by mbrown on Jan 20, 2019 15:01:07 GMT
Seriously, I am currently working on ethics topics with some of the leading people in AI in the UK and they agree teleporting isn't going to happen. What interest do AI people have in teleportation? I can see the obvious link between ethics and AI, possibly ethics and teleportation, but not AI and teleportation - how do they fit together? Hi David, I think Rob has got there a bit before me... I don't claim to be an expert in AI at all - although working with a number of people who are, you do pick up a bit. But as I understand it, if teleporting were to be pursued as a realistic project, the sheer quantity of data and the number of variables would require an ability to recognise contexts and adapt to them. To try to imagine this... I would love to be teleported into a working steam shed, but I don't want to be reconstituted in the pit just as someone opens the blowdown valve.... A simple illustration suited to my interests! But I am not claiming expertise here. TimB's comment is right up my street though - questions like that are my bread and butter. Malcolm
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Post by David on Jan 20, 2019 21:03:17 GMT
Taking responsibility for your actions is a fundamental (and often unavoidable part) of engineering, unfortunately it is not something taught much these days I don't think that is true. My CompSci degree had an ethics subject and I'm sure most others do too. I'm also sure engineering and science degrees would also have at least one subject on it given real engineers are liable for their work and the progress made in things like genetic engineering. Of course Facebook and Google show that just because you try to teach someone about ethics doesn't mean they won't just do things because they can!
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Post by David on Jan 20, 2019 21:12:28 GMT
To try to imagine this... I would love to be teleported into a working steam shed, but I don't want to be reconstituted in the pit just as someone opens the blowdown valve.... A simple illustration suited to my interests! I'm still wondering how I could get teleported to a different place and the relative motion of everything get taken into account. Landscapes change - eg a rockslide just happened which I guess is similar to your example except the result of the rockslide is permanent, the world revolves, etc. Even from one 'station' to another there must be a lot of variables. Also, what about people who believe in souls? They probably won't be trying it out! I'd be pretty reluctant to go through the process, and don't yet see it as the equivalent of going to sleep/waking up. I can't see teleportation as a realistic technology, but I think there will be some amazing technology to come from people chasing it. Economic fusion power seems more likely ;)
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baldric
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Post by baldric on Jan 21, 2019 7:53:00 GMT
I was thinking this is way off topic, but then I thought could we use a teleporter to teleport coal from underground? That would mean we could get some nice welsh steam coal without opening a mine, OK we don't have a teleporter so only a small problem, and may put other jobs at risk so an ethics issue as well. While at it we could have a teleporter to capture the harmful elements from the smoke and put them underground, sounds simple doesn't it :-)
Baldric.
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Post by simplyloco on Jan 21, 2019 9:59:02 GMT
I forget the name of the 'famous' scfi film containing teleportation, but there was a scene in it where the tattoo on a man's wrist didn't quite line up...
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timb
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Post by timb on Jan 21, 2019 16:33:08 GMT
Taking responsibility for your actions is a fundamental (and often unavoidable part) of engineering, unfortunately it is not something taught much these days I don't think that is true. My CompSci degree had an ethics subject and I'm sure most others do too. I'm also sure engineering and science degrees would also have at least one subject on it given real engineers are liable for their work and the progress made in things like genetic engineering. Of course Facebook and Google show that just because you try to teach someone about ethics doesn't mean they won't just do things because they can! On the contrary David I think we are of the same mind, unfortunately my choice of words could have been better viz 'teaching' not being in the academic sense, rather the generic. I mean to say that unless you are specifically steered towards an ethical mindset it is unlikely to be fostered in general life today. It seems to be more profitable to 'get away with what you can' these days and if you cannot get away with it then blame someone else! 'Greed is good' has been the phrase of recent times. I was not taught ethics per se but it was made clear that as an engineer (electrical in my case) your responsibilities did not end with your shift, a principal I have carried through life.
How on earth did we get here from an article about banning the burning of fossil fuels??!!
Tim
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Post by delaplume on Jan 21, 2019 16:58:15 GMT
I was thinking this is way off topic, but then I thought could we use a teleporter to teleport coal from underground? That would mean we could get some nice welsh steam coal without opening a mine, OK we don't have a teleporter so only a small problem, and may put other jobs at risk so an ethics issue as well. While at it we could have a teleporter to capture the harmful elements from the smoke and put them underground, sounds simple doesn't it :-) Baldric. Sounds like one of your "Cunning Plans"....LoL !!
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