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Post by springcrocus on Jun 13, 2019 21:57:59 GMT
Nobby just brought up the question of whether an outer covering is cladding or cleading in Q's thread and Don also replied. I vaguely recall a discussion on this matter a few years ago and think we came to the conclusion that the insulation layer over the boiler was the cladding and the outer skin was the cleading. Anyone want to throw more light on this matter?
Steve
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Post by don9f on Jun 13, 2019 22:49:13 GMT
Here’s something I found after further Googling.... link Various different terminologies are used, sometimes to mean the same thing. Cheers Don |
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Post by Roger on Jun 13, 2019 23:16:27 GMT
Just to muddy that water further, I've got a Works Drawing of 1501's boiler that describes them as 'Cleating', and the same term is used in the drawing for the Cylinder.
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Post by ettingtonliam on Jun 14, 2019 7:10:37 GMT
Nobby just brought up the question of whether an outer covering is cladding or cleading in Q's thread and Don also replied. I vaguely recall a discussion on this matter a few years ago and think we came to the conclusion that the insulation layer over the boiler was the cladding and the outer skin was the cleading. Anyone want to throw more light on this matter? Steve Yes, there was quite an extensive discussion on this, but I can't rememeber which thread it was on. I'm not sure that we did reach a definitive conclusion. |
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Post by simplyloco on Jun 14, 2019 7:26:44 GMT
To coin a phrase, it doesn't make a hap'orth of difference what it is called.
John
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Post by Midland on Jun 14, 2019 8:35:51 GMT
Oh yes it does!!!! it is clothing! I refer you to Horwich drawing H17911 for example. Or the official specification for the Princess Royals dated 10 July 1933 Chief Mechancial Engineer's Office, Euston.
Isn't it wonderful to be a flaming know it all about something!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2019 8:56:39 GMT
Having read this thread I did a little search on steam loco terminology....no mention of cleading or cladding....'clothing' was the word and that directed you to boiler insulation....that still doesn't answer what you call the metal cover if indeed it has another name at all?
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Post by Midland on Jun 14, 2019 9:18:32 GMT
Pete
Great minds think alike. Clothing covers, the metal outer, the insulation (in those days asbestos and muck), the crinolins, hoops, wrapper plates and belts.
David
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Post by ettingtonliam on Jun 14, 2019 9:46:40 GMT
A quick look in various books comes up with casing, cleadling and clothing, all referring to the outer metal sheet rather than the inner insulation which could be asbestos (and, according to Eric Langridge, crinkled aluminium foil held in place with chicken wire) or, particularly for traction engines and earlier locos, wooden strips.
Does it matter, I expect all the different loco works had their own pet names for it, if only to be different to the others.
Please don't start on footboards/running boards etc, we had a long discussion about that as well IIR.
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Post by silverfox on Jun 14, 2019 10:38:28 GMT
Roger
The GWR speak funny
They also say ( or write) shew for show!!
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Post by mwfanwy on Jun 15, 2019 17:20:36 GMT
That's cos they from Wiltshire!
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Post by JonL on Jun 15, 2019 18:51:22 GMT
Hey! All the best things are! :-)
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Post by oldnorton on Jun 15, 2019 19:12:40 GMT
Please don't start on footboards/running boards etc, we had a long discussion about that as well IIR. They should not be footboards or running boards  Wind-up time  |
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Post by Midland on Jun 17, 2019 8:54:57 GMT
Some people read Neitzsche or Schopenhauer for fun but I read Hunt, Essery and James known for their loco profiles. They call "it" or "them" the platform which even I have to admit, was a new term for what we know as running boards, but then we learn everyday. So having tossed that grenade into the room, pin missing, I will hide in the workshop and make 15 washout plugs for a little Princess. Cheers David PS That little room at the back is called, by some, a cab but then . . .  |
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Post by ettingtonliam on Jun 17, 2019 9:00:48 GMT
Yes, platform was one of the alternatives last time we covered this topic a couple? of years ago.
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Post by 92220 on Jun 17, 2019 16:35:09 GMT
Nobby just brought up the question of whether an outer covering is cladding or cleading in Q's thread and Don also replied. I vaguely recall a discussion on this matter a few years ago and think we came to the conclusion that the insulation layer over the boiler was the cladding and the outer skin was the cleading. Anyone want to throw more light on this matter? Steve Hi Steve.
Model engineers seem to almost all call it cleading, but the British Railways drawings call it cladding. What other railways called it, I've no idea, but I will email Kevin Dare at the Didcot preservation site and ask if he knows what the GWR called it.
Bob.
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Post by simplyloco on Jun 17, 2019 17:48:51 GMT
Early armoured warships were called 'Ironclads': i.e. clad with iron, or sporting iron cladding. I would hope that this ironclad use of English would settle the matter...  John |
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Post by 92220 on Jun 17, 2019 17:58:05 GMT
I jumped to conclusions too quick! I said that BR called it 'cladding' because I saw it called that on one of my drawings, however, when I pulled out the B.R. drawing register I found all drawing titles call it 'Clothing'.
Bob.
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Post by JonL on Jun 17, 2019 21:16:05 GMT
Early armoured warships were called 'Ironclads': i.e. clad with iron, or sporting iron cladding. I would hope that this ironclad use of English would settle the matter... John Does American English count?  Apparently the French started it all whilst we were still mucking around with wood... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2019 22:02:46 GMT
Early armoured warships were called 'Ironclads': i.e. clad with iron, or sporting iron cladding. I would hope that this ironclad use of English would settle the matter... John Does American English count? Apparently the French started it all whilst we were still mucking around with wood... I think you may have that wrong Nobby, IIRC the worlds first Ironclad is HMS Warrior which is still afloat and in prestine condition in Portsmouth, I have been aboard a number of times. Pete |
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Apparently the French started it all whilst we were still mucking around with wood...