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Post by Shawki Shlemon on Feb 1, 2008 9:14:12 GMT
Hi Havoc I was thinking about Oz and UK but I stand corrected by your thread . My apology . Good luck for those who are allowed to build boilers with brass and stainless steel .
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Post by Shawki Shlemon on Feb 1, 2008 9:24:41 GMT
Hi abby I fully agree it is cheaper to build a steel boiler than copper and that is an option ,here in OZ we have a code for steel boiler and as a matter of fact one can build a larger boiler using steel than copper . there are standards to be met but the option is there . I guess the same applies in UK and elsewhere .
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Post by havoc on Feb 1, 2008 10:57:52 GMT
Is it? Our code makes that steel boilers have to be tested more often and have a limited lifespan. After 12 years or so (don't have the code with me right now) it has to be replaced.
Steel boilers may also be used at higher pressures. For some models that could also be a reason to use steel.
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Post by abby on Feb 1, 2008 11:52:38 GMT
Hi all , I have just spent an hour surfing for information on model steam boiler construction regulations with no luck , down under in Oz the information is available but you have to pay for it (dont know how much yet) most of the UK model societies have the info but for members and several US states have there own code of practice. How about we put what information is available on a website we can all access at any time in a format that is easy to understand and search ...and best of all free . Much of the stuff is copyright - righted ? so couldn't be put here , Alan would have a fit lol but publish and be damned I say. I could find some webspace. I know we have all the brains we need between us , We got book writers and web masters ,we got iron men with fists of steel ( sorry getting carried away ) and it could help many newcomers to the hobby. Any thoughts ?
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Post by steam4ian on Feb 1, 2008 12:34:13 GMT
G'day Abby et al. I have lauded the Australian Standards for miniature/sub-miniature boilers before. Being a professionally user of standards my assessment is that they are very readable and certainly most helpful, I wish some of the "modern" electrical standards were as useful. They are not very expensive, only slightly more than what we pay in Oz for an overseas magazine, and the suppliers like AEM and Minitech make very quick deliveries. As far as putting them on the web there is an issue of copyright, these are current documents and it is in our interest to honour this. Regards, Ian
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Post by havoc on Feb 1, 2008 17:53:01 GMT
While it would be interesting to bring everything together I don't think it is a good idea. You mention copyright but there is also some responsability to keep them up to date and check for that.
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Post by Shawki Shlemon on Feb 2, 2008 8:42:22 GMT
Hi Havoc I accepted your criticism first time because I have no knowledge of the codes you mentioned but NOT this time . I have the latest issue of the OZ code in front of me now and I am a boiler inspector and should be informed of any serious changes . There is NO such thing as 12 years life span on steel boilers or any other , I don't know how did you come up with that one . The second thing Yes steel boilers are required to be retested every two years compared to three years for copper boilers but the test and recertification is completely FREE .Cost factor does not exist in this issue .
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Post by abby on Feb 2, 2008 10:58:58 GMT
Maybe the code is different in Belgium Shawki , they are more strict about their chocolate than the UK.LOL!
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Post by havoc on Feb 2, 2008 13:56:11 GMT
Actually we follow the Dutch code, no reason to have a separate code for a handfull live steamers. Steel boilers each year, copper boilers every 2 years. But honestly, a lot depends on the inspector... Certification is free as well.
But there are changes to the code under way. Since the whole issue with the european rules for steam did away with the exceptions for small boilers things are far from clear. So there is a new code being written. Don't know more yet.
We were strict about chocolate. But since the belgian chocolate industry has been sold out to the swiss, french and english the changed the law so there hasn't to be any cacao in it anymore to be called chocolate.
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Post by Tel on Feb 2, 2008 18:49:23 GMT
I'll bet you're still not allowed to build chocolate boilers tho'
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Post by derwent on Feb 2, 2008 21:11:35 GMT
tel chololate will not suffer from dezinctification but the melting point may be a bit low.
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Post by steam4ian on Feb 2, 2008 21:59:39 GMT
G'day Tel,
There were some who reported that the French made soldiers out of chocolate. ;D
Regards, Ian
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Post by Tel on Feb 2, 2008 22:00:13 GMT
Yeah Derwent - I suspected that might be the case. Probably very prone to plate deformation as well
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Post by Tel on Feb 2, 2008 22:05:30 GMT
I've heard rumours to that effect Ian - not my branch of ancestry tho' - they were all fierce and brave Gauls
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Post by Shawki Shlemon on Feb 3, 2008 8:15:43 GMT
They make bunnies and easter eggs out of chocolate,why not boilers ? I like to have one in the sitting room , my grand children will be here all the time .
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Post by havoc on Feb 3, 2008 11:25:10 GMT
Now if you heat some milk in it...
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Post by spurley on Feb 3, 2008 14:48:50 GMT
Could a chocolate boiler be used for boiling chocolate? ;D Cheers Brian
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Post by waggy on Feb 3, 2008 20:32:21 GMT
I wonder if an old boiler could be used to get the other half off my case? Oh, ouch, eek, ouch again! Sorry my little sweet, didn't realise you were behind me! Ambulance, quick. Waggy. Don't worry lads, I'll make up, send her some flowers. Triffids, I think! Hee hee.
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Post by steam4ian on Feb 3, 2008 23:05:56 GMT
G'day Waggy
You make her sound like she is the old boiler.
Is that an expression you are familiar with? In Oz is refers to an old hen past laying that age had toughened and could only be eaten after boiling.
Where do you buy Triffids?
Regards, Ian
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