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Dec 23, 2013 16:54:03 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2013 16:54:03 GMT
Hi Ben Welcome to the forum... I look forward to seeing pictures... Pete
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Dec 23, 2013 17:04:20 GMT
Post by drumkilbo on Dec 23, 2013 17:04:20 GMT
So do I, a lovely loco. Welcome.
Ian
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Dec 23, 2013 17:41:29 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2013 17:41:29 GMT
Hi BEN---------- let's hope your V2 "takes off" in a big way----- Horizontally, of course !!
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Dec 23, 2013 18:06:33 GMT
Post by silverfox on Dec 23, 2013 18:06:33 GMT
Ben,
i propose that you Pete and myself start up a splinter group of LNER 3 cyl nutters!!. I am doing a Breeze B17 and hope to really get a move on next year. All the material was purchased with my retirement package and a start made.Most of the time has, possibly like Peter, getting photos, more photos, and oh more photos, and plans and diagrams and headaches!!!
I would seriously suggest that you pay a visit to the MRM ( if not already done) and get plenty of pics of the real one
also while you are ther check up via the search engine and see if they have a weigh book of the loco. I got one for the B17 ,it is a mine of info, reasonable drawings of every,and i mean every part, with measurements,but enough detail for you to knock a non working replica if you want
Get Yeadons Register on the class a must if you are doing a particular engine, Morrisons? Power of the V2 and i think Irwell Press also do a very detailed book on them a bit late to 'suggest' as christams presents, but get them asap if not got already
As i said at the beginning, everything was set up on my retirement...... that was 1999!!!!!!!! A Grandson arriving is the spurt i need ( oh i took VERY early retirement) it was an offer i didnt refuse
Ron
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Dec 24, 2013 23:41:35 GMT
Post by silverfox on Dec 24, 2013 23:41:35 GMT
Ben
no thread, and i could not compete with Peters in either length or workmanship. Having been trtained to push a pen, i am a self taught engineer. AND it shows. plenty of early bronze age attemps, in fact my two most used tools are the coal hammer and a chisel, and that is just fro the fine work. As long as my final version will pass muster as a reasonable facsimile of the engine and people will say thats a B17, then i am happy
If you email me off list i can send you a sample of the weighbook for the B17.It might give you an idea of what it is about. Anyhow Merry Xmas to all my readers!!
Have a good one and heres to a lot of unfinished projects making leaps and bounds in 2014
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Dec 26, 2013 0:15:23 GMT
Post by jma1009 on Dec 26, 2013 0:15:23 GMT
hi ben,
yes pete's workmanship is truly superb and of an incredibly high standard of detail and construction! however dont worry a steam loco is very forgiving and will run remarkable well whatever the standard of construction so long as piston valves are steam tight and the valve setting and draughting is ok. i wish you well on your project!
the exhaust flange connections are subject to very low pressure steam so dont worry. gasket material whether liquid or thin sheet material is readily available and will seal same quite ok.
shame it isnt a GWR loco, but hey ho!
cheers, julian
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Dec 26, 2013 11:03:24 GMT
Post by jma1009 on Dec 26, 2013 11:03:24 GMT
hi ben, yes i did think about it re a GWR terrier! but STEPNEY is the first loco i had a ride behind when 4 years old, plus im also a Brighton fan. i think you probably made a wise choice not building keith wilson's DUKEDOG. ive never seen one in steam, and there are a few issues with the design. so ive a set of frames and wheel castings for a DUKEDOG that i will never progress with. cheers, julian
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Dec 26, 2013 12:54:57 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2013 12:54:57 GMT
Pete, having read through your wonderful Doncaster thread I can assure you the V2 will not be anywhere near your league! It is amazing! Truly something to be proud of! Thanks for the kind words Ben and others but honestly I wouldn't put my work above anyone else's, ok I perhaps go a little further than some but by no means all in the fine detail department but then that is probably due to my work doctrine, remember for many years my job has been to make realistic models for film and TV that must look like the real thing on screen, even with today's ability to freeze frame and look closely at them. Over time you pick up a lot of things that help with this both in building and in how to paint a model. Ben I'm sure that your V2 and Ron's B17 will look just as good and perhaps when you and Ron and anyone else for that matter with a LNER design could get together one day with our completed locomotives for a rerun of the steaming days up the east coast... would be great to see.. I just need to get that rake of Gresley teaks built as well.... Kind regards Pete
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Dec 26, 2013 13:06:49 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2013 13:06:49 GMT
I have been studying the drawings and am unsure about the cylinders and the bolt on exhaust channels, how on earth do they make a good seal on the valve chests? Not sure if this is just a V2 thing or if other designs have the same? Don Young got around this on some of his designs (Black 5 and 2MT in particular) by making the piston valve very short, and putting false ends on the steam chests. The downside of this is having to drill long inclined steam passages, as you would for a slide valve. The Doncaster cylinders are more prototypical, with cast-in exhaust passages. Martin Evans did something similar with his Royal Engineer, but on Torquay Manor he used bolt-on exhaust passages (for the piston valve version). As you will never need to remove them, why not just silver solder the passages on, before final machining of the block?
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Dec 26, 2013 14:02:25 GMT
Post by RGR 60130 on Dec 26, 2013 14:02:25 GMT
Are there any other Breeze engines being build in this forum? Hi Ben, I have a M.L.Breeze Peppercorn A1 under construction. A friend at the Tyneside club is also building a V2 and that is at an advanced stage having run on air and the boiler is built. It will probably be on the club stand at the Harrogate exhibition in May. The Breeze drawings are quite good though I have found there are a few small errors. The castings tend to have very little spare metal on them so do measure up carefully before machining anything. Good luck with your build, Reg
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Dec 27, 2013 21:50:17 GMT
Post by davebreeze on Dec 27, 2013 21:50:17 GMT
Are there any other Breeze engines being build in this forum? Given my surname I feel I should tackle one of his locos some day!
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Dec 30, 2013 22:10:44 GMT
Post by jma1009 on Dec 30, 2013 22:10:44 GMT
hi ben re the keith wilson DUKEDOG. i did the frames and got the driving wheel castings years ago. i fancied making mine as a DUKE 'KING ARTHUR'. anyway basically there is very little movement for the front bogie, plus keith wilson completely cocked up the valve gear. there is insufficient travel on the valve gear to correctly work! the valve gear isnt impossible to put right. for various other reasons it got put to one side, and hasnt been touched since.
Shawki built a lovely example - he can probably tell you far more about the keith wilson design.
cheers, julian
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Jan 1, 2014 18:11:21 GMT
Post by fostergp6nhp on Jan 1, 2014 18:11:21 GMT
Who will be the 1st to do the version with all 3 cylinders cast as 1 with the smokebox saddle and blind rear ends to the bores, fully ported.
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Jan 1, 2014 21:09:48 GMT
Post by 44767 on Jan 1, 2014 21:09:48 GMT
Welcome, Ben and Happy New Year to everyone!
Why would you buy castings when you can turn like that? Nice work; it's going to be a great loco model. I have always thought the V2 is a very elegant locomotive. There are a few of us logging our builds which provides a wealth of information which can be applied elsewhere too. I look forward to seeing progress.
Mike
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Jan 1, 2014 21:52:38 GMT
Post by wiltsrob on Jan 1, 2014 21:52:38 GMT
yes.. a double kylchap way created for the A4 that blackgates do...( Michael breeze design IIRC )
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2014 22:09:45 GMT
Don Young has also designed a double kylchap for his Doncaster design and very nice it looks too. If you need drawings I'm happy to scan them for you although I have already done this in the past so you may find them quicker by doing a search for Kylchap exhaust.
Regards
Pete.
Pete
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Jan 1, 2014 22:44:16 GMT
Post by jma1009 on Jan 1, 2014 22:44:16 GMT
i would say (after many years) the jury is still out as to whether in 3.5" and 5"g a kylchap arrangement is beneficial. for a double chimney the arrangement on pete's 3.5"g HEILAN LASSIE (as modified) is perfectly ok. anyone know if John Heslop's 5"g LNER P2 had kylchap fitted? it won IMLEC and was a wonderful loco. cheers, julian
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Jan 2, 2014 22:00:15 GMT
Post by wiltsrob on Jan 2, 2014 22:00:15 GMT
evening all..
as to the kylchaps .. I would have thought in 3.5/5" gauge the performance difference versus the maintenance problems ( unless you make them removable ) would make them pointless .. I suppose if you are building a loco specifically to win IMLEC then fair enough..
I did toy with the idea for the A4 but decided that as I would almost never have a load on the loco to make use of the extra steaming capability it wasn't worth it..
I might have to give your method of turning buffer bodies a try .. looks like a way around spending £200 on castings.
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Jan 3, 2014 16:56:21 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 16:56:21 GMT
wiltsrob I also machined my buffer stocks although from round bar not square bar but the principle is the same,I can't claim the idea I just followed what Don young had suggested in his articles, I found it very rewarding to do. I have detailed what I did in my 4472 build if it's of any use. BenNice work Ben, you'll soon have a sprung pair... oh and I wouldn't worry about a tin hat I think the Swindon boys far out number us others around here, they'll watch your back...... Pete
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Jan 5, 2014 9:28:10 GMT
Post by ejparrott on Jan 5, 2014 9:28:10 GMT
then holding a 5/8 slot drill in the tailstock and carefully boring to the hole to depth, then finish boring to the 11/16 final diameter with a boring bar. Worked a treat! I do exactly the same at work with small flat bottom holes, just keep the lock on the barrel nipped so it doesn't snatch around
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