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Post by digger on Jul 14, 2014 14:09:09 GMT
Any restoration project is worth seeing, though the end result should be the same we all have different ways and ideas how the end result is achieved.
Digger
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Post by Roger on Jul 14, 2014 16:12:53 GMT
It's wonderful to see such a sad and neglected little engine come back to life, I look forward to seeing as many pictures as you can be bothered to upload. It's all an education to me.
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Post by alanstepney on Jul 14, 2014 16:31:08 GMT
Butch was, indeed is, a superb loco and very powerful for its size.
At one time it was said to be the ideal Club loco as it ws so good at passenger hauling.
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Post by Roger on Jul 14, 2014 18:12:49 GMT
I was going to ask you where it came from. It's a real credit to you both.
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Post by fostergp6nhp on Jul 14, 2014 19:04:58 GMT
That looks like its never been steamed as the inside of the smokebox is still copper colour on the tubeplate. Only run on air?
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Post by Doug on Jul 14, 2014 21:03:28 GMT
That looks like its never been steamed as the inside of the smokebox is still copper colour on the tubeplate. Only run on air? Yeah not too sure myself it must have had a great cleanup it shows from the boiler stamp it was tested in 1980 so it must of ran once but as you will see as I post more of the story later it can't have ran very well at all. One of the inspectors apparently set his jumper on fire while running it. It took just over a year to get it running correctly about 8 months of that to get it to move at all. My grandad said he got it tested (the builder my great grandad died in 1973) so he never got to see it running. On a side note it was only the 4th boiler tested at NWLSME so it's one of the oldest club loco's at whitwick leicestershire. |
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Post by steam4ian on Jul 14, 2014 21:44:13 GMT
Please keep up the photos and story, it is a delightful little loco and the results are a credit to you.
One comment to which I hope others may add something. With Butch's reputation as a puller I would have though a more substantial drawbar system would be mandatory. The single hook with spring is OK for the Mantle Piece but I would bet my pride and joy and the safety of others on it. The buffer beam also seems like it needs reinforcing.
Keep it coming.
Ian
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Post by jma1009 on Jul 14, 2014 21:59:36 GMT
Kennion's 'Butch' was designed many many years ago. it never really caught on as being freelance plus too small for serious passenger haulage on 5"g club tracks. Reeves's AJAX suffered similarly, though the ACHILLES version is better. personally i think that an 'overhaul' series on an obsolete freelance miniature design is of very little use to anyone. it has sentimental attachment for doug, and he has done great job on the paintwork, but i wouldnt go any further than that.
none of the Kennion designs were that good. old charlie kennion whom i met and knew was a canny old bird with a careful eye for business, and also a brilliant boiler maker/repairer. he also had a rather nice Rolls Royce! it wasnt paid for by the profit on Butch castings!
cheers,
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Post by bhk on Jul 15, 2014 1:59:24 GMT
personally i think that an 'overhaul' series on an obsolete freelance miniature design is of very little use to anyone. it has sentimental attachment for doug, and he has done great job on the paintwork, but i wouldnt go any further than that That's is where you would be wrong! I look at all these pictures and take from then what I think is good and what I think is bad and combine them all into my own modelling. |
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Post by Jim on Jul 15, 2014 3:30:58 GMT
Personally I think it's great to see an old, tired loco restored to its former glory and I thank Dug for going to the trouble of posting the photos of his work in restoring Butch. We can all learn from seeing how another modeller has tackled the problems encountered.
Obsolete loco or not I think any restoration project offers a lot that we can learn from.
Jim.
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Post by Doug on Jul 15, 2014 4:34:29 GMT
Kennion's 'Butch' was designed many many years ago. it never really caught on as being freelance plus too small for serious passenger haulage on 5"g club tracks. Reeves's AJAX suffered similarly, though the ACHILLES version is better. personally i think that an 'overhaul' series on an obsolete freelance miniature design is of very little use to anyone. it has sentimental attachment for doug, and he has done great job on the paintwork, but i wouldnt go any further than that. none of the Kennion designs were that good. old charlie kennion whom i met and knew was a canny old bird with a careful eye for business, and also a brilliant boiler maker/repairer. he also had a rather nice Rolls Royce! it wasnt paid for by the profit on Butch castings! cheers, julian Hi Julian in many ways I would agree with what you have said as a loco for regular use I would not recommend it at all, however the lessons learnt trying to get this loco running are common on ALL loco's as you will see, including some things you yourself have helped with such as the piston seal material choice. The main hurdle was axle binding which you can get on any loco. |
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Post by Doug on Jul 15, 2014 4:51:27 GMT
Please keep up the photos and story, it is a delightful little loco and the results are a credit to you. One comment to which I hope others may add something. With Butch's reputation as a puller I would have though a more substantial drawbar system would be mandatory. The single hook with spring is OK for the Mantle Piece but I would bet my pride and joy and the safety of others on it. The buffer beam also seems like it needs reinforcing. Keep it coming. Ian Hi Ian the hook was replaced by a club towing eye and clip for the pulling of passengers, the hook is replaced for show only which will be it's main job as I don't intend to run a lot, it's not my thing I am a builder/repairer rather than a driver I like to see it work but I don't have the interest to run it every weekend it takes time away from me making things  As for the buffer beam it would take some bending it is made from some very stout angle iron. There are some cracking "proper" regular pulling loco's at the club like a very nice royal scot and a V2 that are way better suited to the open days. I will try post some more next week as I have some very busy days ahead of me, school holidays are always a bit of a pain but this is the best week as our schools have broken up and the rest of the country are still hard at it. So we like to spend this week off work and take the little chap out all over the place. |
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Post by shooter on Jul 15, 2014 7:00:52 GMT
Just to add my 2 pen'oth,
I am looking forward to seeing more of your "trials and tribulations" during your rebuild. I don't think that the loco is not really a "club earner" matters one jot. I really enjoy seeing how other members overcome problems and the fact that it's a rebuild dosen't mean that the lessons learned cannot be applied to a new build.
Keep it comming Doug, I will be eagerly waiting for every picture you post.
Cheers for now. Steve.
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Post by doubletop on Jul 16, 2014 8:48:33 GMT
Pity about the woodworm, that must be a first!
Very nice state to start from and the final job is just brilliant.
Having done a Simplex and just about to start a Dart refurb I'm watching
Pete
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2014 11:01:59 GMT
Hello all---------- I think this might need to be a case of}-- "A picture is worth 1,000 words" ----only in reverse !!............Why not use the occasional photo to summarise a collection of sequences just described ??......Nothing worse than a whole series of "Holiday snaps", each one being just slightly different from the previous one....
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Post by doubletop on Jul 17, 2014 10:08:59 GMT
Hello all---------- I think this might need to be a case of}-- "A picture is worth 1,000 words" ----only in reverse !!............Why not use the occasional photo to summarise a collection of sequences just described ??......Nothing worse than a whole series of "Holiday snaps", each one being just slightly different from the previous one.... He's doing the strip down, its pretty obvious and surely not a lot can be said about it that can't be seen in the photos. Remakes, reworks clean-up painting and running is where an explanation will help. Pete |
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Post by Jim on Jul 17, 2014 12:19:32 GMT
Hello all---------- I think this might need to be a case of}-- "A picture is worth 1,000 words" ----only in reverse !!............Why not use the occasional photo to summarise a collection of sequences just described ??......Nothing worse than a whole series of "Holiday snaps", each one being just slightly different from the previous one.... I for one enjoy following the work Dug has undertaken in restoring his loco as detailed in the photos of his restoration project. Far from being "holiday snaps'" they give me the opportunity to see how others tackle and solve problems, many of them similar to problems I've encountered along the way. I can't speak for others but I'm getting seriously fed up with some of the needlessly negative or disapproving comments being made on this thread. The sad fact is if they continue they will kill off any enthusiasm anyone may have for posting here. Jim |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 12:49:04 GMT
(Somehow I've mucked-up the Edit posting )...........OK chaps, I hear what you say......... Numbers of Photos}---I was responding to the phrase]--- "I've got hundreds more-----" and was thinking that better quality and a reduction in quantity would take up less forum space ??.............If you as an individual require more photographic info. about a particular subject / process then using the PM service would surely be more appropriate.??.............................Contributions}---In my experiences the essence of a vibrant and active group of people, be it a forum, club, Society, or otherwise requires opinions, point-of-view, experiences et al. from every direction----not just positive or whatever happens to be flavour of the month.........In short}---Variety is the Spice of (Club)Life.......
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 12:49:46 GMT
sorry, ignore this---
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 13:14:13 GMT
I quite like any post of anything on here that is an engine having work done to it, building/overhauling/painting, no matter to me, I can learn from all of it and for me that is the whole point. The forum is a means of information sharing, if you aren't interested then simply don't view the thread. Keep up the good work dug! Rant over Cheers Ben |
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As for the buffer beam it would take some bending it is made from some very stout angle iron. There are some cracking "proper" regular pulling loco's at the club like a very nice royal scot and a V2 that are way better suited to the open days. 
