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Post by yorkshireman on Dec 9, 2015 8:20:38 GMT
Hallo The German Rail fans are proud that we can still pull such an event off. The sound of 2 Three-Cylinder loco is just phantastic. see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRG_Class_44Google "Plandampf" to watch more such videos... Enjoy Johannes |
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Post by ettingtonliam on Dec 9, 2015 23:26:17 GMT
Very impressive, but what on earth do they burn to produce such quantities of dense black smoke? Also, is there a good reason for the continuous leakage of steam from under the cylinders?
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Post by marshall5 on Dec 10, 2015 9:08:42 GMT
For some reason the 'Gricer' types seem to insist on black smoke and running with the drain cocks open because they seem to think that it makes their photos more realistic! Those of us who are old enough to remember 'real steam' know that it simply shows poor enginemanship. I've been on one of these photo tours once - just once!
Ray.
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Post by steam4ian on Dec 10, 2015 9:25:13 GMT
I doubt they would run for long with the cylinder cocks open, too much lubrication lost I suggest the steam is one of the following: the sanding gear; continuous drain from the valve chest; generator exhaust or; air compressor exhaust.
As for smoke I suggest the locos are being fired heavily, in fact one can see the smoke response to each shovel full of coal. Great acclaim is made of 2000tonnes behind the locos. This not such a great load on the flat or even 1in100 but perhaps the grade is much tighter hence the excitement. Firing under such conditions demands almost continuous shovelling not the five shovels every two minutes suggested in the old LMS film "How to fire a Locomotive". As for the coal it is probably that despised stuff from Poland.
Ian
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Post by ejparrott on Dec 10, 2015 9:42:14 GMT
The crew of the pilot seem to be far more capable than those on the train engine if I'm honest, bit of a bull in a china shop attitude there.
I would suggest the steam seen is likely a an exhaust from something, but more prominent than usual due to it being November!
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Post by mutley on Dec 10, 2015 19:02:19 GMT
Can anyone remember what the load was behind Black Prince at one of the East Somerset Railway Open Days held at Foster Yeomans Tor works? I seem to remember that one of those runs was up near the 2KTon weight.
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Post by gwr14xx on Dec 10, 2015 19:15:56 GMT
The figures I have seen quoted are for 3 runs - 1st 1400 tons, then 1,800 tons and finally 2,143 tons. |
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Post by ejparrott on Dec 10, 2015 19:20:02 GMT
David can probably tell you to the nearest Kg......
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Post by vulcanbomber on Dec 10, 2015 19:41:22 GMT
David Shepherd reckoned the 2170od ton record she holds was closer to 2400 at the time and she was still keeping her feet pretty well the whole time and he was happy for them to put more on the back and try again. You have to wonder if her tender stretched at all.....
Incidentally, 92203 Black Prince changed ownership a few weeks ago, she is now owned by the North Norfolk Railway.
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Post by steam4ian on Dec 10, 2015 22:11:26 GMT
Johannes
Thank you for directing us the Plandampf videos, those I have seen so far are excellent. Almost no whistles and no bells, unlike USA videos and NO MUSIC drowning out the real music.
Danke shön
Ian
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Post by Oily Rag on Dec 10, 2015 22:52:46 GMT
Starting 2000 ton of stock with roller bearings is a different kettle of fish than stock with plain journal bearings!
If I was doing a tonnage record it would be roller bearing stock and carefully checked to see to ensure all the brakes are kicked off. Note all these reconds are done with roller boxed stock.
Different coal. Some coal is gassy when heating up before good ignition lighting and thus requires more secondary air. At the Rosewood Railway our coal is as smoky as you can get coal,(it is donated) good for the pics. But when it is fully alight, smoke clears very quickly. By the intermittent nature of the dark smoke plume I assumed those locos are hand fired. Yes/no?
Some times the drains leak and small blows, they just show up a lot in the chilly weather.
As for driving for long with open drains, most of the atomised oil goes up the exhaust in any case, not much in reality is deposited on the walls of the valves and cylinders as it all swirls around. Open drains does not affect that much at all if at all. However priming does!
Going down an open drain or shooting up the exhaust passage is not any different.
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Post by vulcanbomber on Dec 10, 2015 23:13:11 GMT
Here is some footage of 92203 getting her teeth into 1600 tons..... She slips once at the end of the vid. youtu.be/-ConIWiz2gE |
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Post by digger on Dec 11, 2015 0:55:50 GMT
Very impressive, but what on earth do they burn to produce such quantities of dense black smoke? Also, is there a good reason for the continuous leakage of steam from under the cylinders? The steam emanating from under the cylinders may well be the steam sanding gear to aid adhesion? Digger |
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Post by rogsteam1959 on Dec 11, 2015 2:27:44 GMT
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Post by wilson on Aug 3, 2020 18:48:25 GMT
Hey , those events inspired us to create a meeting to tribute the well known and famous ore train called "langer Heinrich"-Long Heinrich at our Club. Two class 44 coal/oil fired and about 50 hopper cars.....have a look and enjoy like we did.... youtu.be/VTkXpA4-HVsBest Regards Wilson |
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Post by mbrown on Aug 3, 2020 19:09:04 GMT
That is fantastic! The locos are beautiful and I love the cab detail. But who spent (presumably) years building all those hopper cars just for them to run empty? Or do they double as passenger cars?
I am getting very fond of German locomotives - and coming round to the idea that ll the work I am doing on the frames of 99 3462 is going to end up painted red, not black!
Malcolm
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Post by wilson on Aug 3, 2020 19:30:04 GMT
Hey,
all those Hopper cars brought along by 8 Attendees of the meeting....we thought about to fill it up, but some owners dont wanted it and we couldnt double save all cars...we have some big slopes on our track so we were simply to careful.
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Wilson
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Post by mbrown on Aug 3, 2020 19:36:10 GMT
Even so, that's several hopper cars per person! A labour of love, presumably.
I also like the little UK mineral wagons parked in a siding - a real contrast between UK and German practice (although we had similar hoppers on the Consett iron ore trains in the 1960s.)
Malcolm
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