jma1009
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Post by jma1009 on Mar 18, 2016 23:34:55 GMT
Hi Adam,
It is a principle of good business dealings plus forum conduct that any professional interests are declared. Paul singularly failed to do this on countless occasions.
You obviously knew but kept quiet and took part in both debates.
Nuff sed! Cheers, Julian
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Post by Cro on Mar 18, 2016 23:39:24 GMT
Julian there is nothing that says he has to declare who or what he does. This is his hobby, this is a place where we can all share our interests within the hobby and if he doesn't want to declare his business dealings here then he doesn't have any obligation too.
If I were to remove anything that says I have my business within the hobby are you expecting me to declare what I am involved in every time I post on something relevant?
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jma1009
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Post by jma1009 on Mar 19, 2016 0:03:53 GMT
Hi Adam,
I make no criticism of you at all re declaring business interests - we all know your business dealings, as can be seen at the bottom of every thread you post.
Paul Tompkins accused both myself and Ed on this thread as being "self proclaimed experts", " having no or little experience in the subject", and "neither of you have the experience in the subject of copper boilers".
That is a considerable personal insult to us both! Ed is understandably very upset. I do not see any possible reason for Paul's attack on Ed, and his failure to disclose his ownership of Southern Boilers is at the least disengenuous. Other words come to mind but I wont post them. His slagging me off on the 10X injector thread can now be seen in a completely different light.
If you now wish to apologise over your own involvement in the 10X injector thread then you can PM me.
Cheers, Julian
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Post by Cro on Mar 19, 2016 0:20:10 GMT
I have nothing to apologise for, I stand by the fact I felt you were going about it in a way I and others wouldn't have and couldn't see the sense in not seeing if something worked before taking it apart at the risk of damaging it.
Paul's take on Ed was because he personally stated that an error had been made on a boiler supplied by him (this is how I and others read it) and in so suggesting that the workmanship was not up to standard and comparing a small adjustment made at whatever stage of the build for whatever reason was the same as a boiler being speculated to be supplied untested. How you can compare a boiler a 1/4" short to a boiler than is leaking after 2nd delivery the same thing I don't know and I'd be pretty annoyed if that were me. The acceptance that this comment was not full of truth is the fact that Ed has edited it so it can no longer be read. I saw Ron's boiler at the Midlands and at the time thought it was home made, take that how you will.
In this case, in comparison, I'd say very few of us will have the experience or knowledge that he has. But on an amateur level, between members, you wouldn't have accepted his opinion if he had disagreed with you so what difference would it have made if he had said who he was?
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jma1009
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Post by jma1009 on Mar 19, 2016 0:40:23 GMT
Hi Adam,
Ed knows a great deal about boilers and boiler making. If he says there was a defect with a Southern Boilers boiler then that ought to be accepted. Paul should have stated here 'I made that boiler, and apologies, I cocked up on that one'. Instead he decided to make a personal onslaught against Ed, that was both unprofessional conduct and personally insulting and inexcusable. We now know he made the boiler mentioned by Ed. Paul deliberately kept quiet and failed to disclose he made it, yet made personal insults against Ed.
I am sure forum members will draw their own conclusions on this. And as I mentioned this isnt the first time Paul has slagged off forum members yet having failed to disclose a vested interest.
Not a happy saga.
I had a good evening in the workshop earlier, then this!
Cheers, Julian
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Post by Cro on Mar 19, 2016 0:46:51 GMT
The point being Eds information was not correct hence the upset about the accusation, a personal attack as you have said, of it being wrong and Paul has since had contact with customer to check on the situation. If you read back Paul asks did Ed know about how it was handled or the reasons for such alterations (or something to that effect)
You are complaining about this but you started it by going and publicly announcing something irrelevant, if you had such an issue with it why not between yourself and Ed speak with Paul privately rather than trying to make him out to look like a criminal.
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Post by pault on Mar 19, 2016 1:33:06 GMT
FFS gents no one in this is talking with all the facts relating to all the people commenting. It is just degenerating into a corrosive slagging match which is benefitting no one. Personally I think the thread should be locked.
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Post by runner42 on Mar 19, 2016 22:03:14 GMT
Hi Paul,
I think Julian has done you a bit of good providing a link to your website it gave me the opportunity to see what fine boilers you make. I was duly impressed. But I then realised that I had seen your work in detail when you posted your thread modeleng.proboards.com/thread/4937/scale-3-5-brit-boiler?page=2
Brian
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2016 8:14:15 GMT
Hi Paul,
I think Julian has done you a bit of good providing a link to your website it gave me the opportunity to see what fine boilers you make. I was duly impressed. But I then realised that I had seen your work in detail when you posted your thread modeleng.proboards.com/thread/4937/scale-3-5-brit-boiler?page=2
Brian Thanks for this link Brian, that is one of the most interesting articles I have read on this forum.
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Post by kwil on Mar 21, 2016 16:59:11 GMT
Well there we have it then, lots of uninformed innuendo against a professional (who does not have to justify his position regarding skill and experience given the quality products shown on this site and in the flesh at exhibitions in the past).
Just the usual self appointed armchair experts at it again then.
At least they should consider that Paul1979 deserves an apology, I for one certainly think so.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2016 18:30:41 GMT
Well there we have it then, lots of uninformed innuendo against a professional (who does not have to justify his position regarding skill and experience given the quality products shown on this site and in the flesh at exhibitions in the past). Just the usual self appointed armchair experts at it again then. At least they should consider that Paul1979 deserves an apology, I for one certainly think so. I could not agree with you more. I have been making small pot boilers for myself and others for several years and appreciate the difficulties in shaping copper. Pauls workmanship is a credit to him and the boiler thread showing the standard he works to is testament enough. I speak as a non professional boiler maker, just an enthusiastic amateur unaware of Pauls work until now.
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Post by mutley on Mar 21, 2016 20:06:33 GMT
It's a shame the professionals among us feel they have to remain anonymous.
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Post by Cro on Mar 21, 2016 23:12:39 GMT
It's a shame the professionals among us feel they have to remain anonymous. And also the fact that only criticism could be said against his work and not praise until now. Boiler makers do a job a lot of people in the hobby can't do and they keep our builds going yet people look to find the problems with them instead of credit where credit due. Im glad people have seen how fantastic Pauls work is, thanks for the link Julian, reminded me of how good he is at what he does.
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Post by mattscrutton on Mar 23, 2016 10:56:31 GMT
It's a shame the professionals among us feel they have to remain anonymous. And also the fact that only criticism could be said against his work and not praise until now. Boiler makers do a job a lot of people in the hobby can't do and they keep our builds going yet people look to find the problems with them instead of credit where credit due. Im glad people have seen how fantastic Pauls work is, thanks for the link Julian, reminded me of how good he is at what he does. I'm quite proud of the fact my boilers used by Paul in his promotional material, I personally wouldn't use anyone else, everything I have had from Paul has been on time, on budget, and the quality of workmanship spot on. Ive never seen such neat soldering anywhere else.
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