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Post by george on Jul 25, 2017 15:42:24 GMT
A friend of mine has recently bought a 14xx, runs fine but he has a devil of a job to open the blowdown valve, whats the secret please.
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Post by george on Jul 27, 2017 8:52:53 GMT
Can anyone please tell me the part numbers for all the bits to assemble the reversing stand as far as the reach rod please? The 14xx my friend has bought has been converted to a pole reverser and he wants to change it back to a screw reverser.I've sent a picture of kit 5 in the catalogue to the engineers emporium with the pieces we need outlined but they insist they need part numbers.
Regards
George
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Post by johnboy251 on Nov 15, 2019 13:06:53 GMT
A friend of mine has recently bought a 14xx, runs fine but he has a devil of a job to open the blowdown valve, whats the secret please. Did you ever find a solution to this problem? |
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Post by george on Nov 15, 2019 17:22:46 GMT
no. im afraid we didnt, he still struggles with it.
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Post by johnboy251 on Nov 15, 2019 18:58:05 GMT
no. im afraid we didnt, he still struggles with it. Ok I have the solution - I’ve a 7 1/4” Winson. I’m off out now (late as usual) contact later. John |
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Post by gwr14xx on Nov 15, 2019 19:03:29 GMT
Hi George,
Is this a Winson/Modelworks 14XX with the blowdown valve in the boiler backhead and below the cab floor? For mine, I made up an extended key with a 'T' handle, so that I can operate the blowdown from behind the buffer beam.
Regards,
Eddie.
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Post by johnboy251 on Dec 24, 2019 18:29:15 GMT
no. im afraid we didnt, he still struggles with it. Ok I have the solution - I’ve a 7 1/4” Winson. I’m off out now (late as usual) contact later. John |
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Post by johnboy251 on Dec 24, 2019 19:05:48 GMT
Sorry for the delay getting back to you - I lost the thread to reply to!😳 I have a greatly modified Winson 14xx with the blowdown valve buried under the Drivers cab floor. When I discovered this I too wondered how it could be used successfully without scolding yourself in the process. LBSC designed a copy of ‘The Ever Lasting Valve’ Company’s boiler blowdown valve. I’ve seen many good examples of which work reliably. The design can be seen in the Martin Evans - LBSC's Shop, Shed and Road book. (1979 edition) There is a deign also available. See links below. This scales down really well. I have on on another 7 1/4” loco. livesteamt3.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/everlasting-blowdown-valve.htmlwww.everlastingvalveusa.com/ for the ELV company website. Regards John |
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Post by steamlaser on Jun 12, 2022 23:14:12 GMT
A fellow Club member has bought a s/h 5 inch Winson 14xx.
I tried to do a cold examination and steam test on it today. Alas had to give up due to various problems with the engine.
I need to find out a couple of things so we can connect our test set to the engine.
1. On the steam manifold there is a male thread that screws onto to the syphon, which connects to the pressure gauge. What is this thread?
2. On the top of the water gauge fitting there is a hexagon shaped screw in plug. What is the tread of the plug?
3. What is the thread on the safety valve?
4. Did Winson use use Metric fine threads of their steam fittngs?
Many thanks
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Post by gwr14xx on Jun 13, 2022 6:30:11 GMT
Firstly, you need to confirm whether it is a Winson or a Modelworks 14XX. The Winson models had imperial threads, but Modelworks went metric. Also, for some strange reason, they decided to move some of the fittings (safety valve and watergauge) just enough that the boiler claddings are not readily interchangable. There are probably other differences that I have not yet discovered!
Eddie.
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Post by steamlaser on Jun 13, 2022 11:29:32 GMT
Firstly, you need to confirm whether it is a Winson or a Modelworks 14XX. The Winson models had imperial threads, but Modelworks went metric. Also, for some strange reason, they decided to move some of the fittings (safety valve and watergauge) just enough that the boiler claddings are not readily interchangable. There are probably other differences that I have not yet discovered! Eddie. Thank you for your feedback. It has the original paperwork from Winson. I did put a thread gauge on some of the fittings and they seemed to be Imperial. However the thread on the steam manifold that went to the pressure gauge syphon tube did not want to accept an Imperial adaptor from our test set kit. I was reluctant to force a fitting on and wreck the existing thread. We have a possible problem with the water gauge, but that can be addressed at a later date. I do want to get this member through a cold inspection and steam test so he can run his new Loco, but we cannot cut corners! It would be helpful if someone could confirm the thread on the Winson manifold is definitely Imperial. thanks |
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Post by cplmickey on Jun 14, 2022 14:49:44 GMT
If you have a thread gauge what is the tpi and outside diameter of the thread. Sometimes a metric thread can be very close to a cycle thread (26tpi) or an ME thread so accurate measurement required to confirm. 26tpi is almost a metric x1 pitch, 20tpi is metric x1.25 pitch etc so need to look at the diameter to see what is close. Ian
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Post by steamlaser on Jun 14, 2022 20:01:46 GMT
Thanks to everybody for the feedback and advice.
Tomorrow we have a working party and the chap may bring his loco up. Hopefully I will have more time to investigate thread sizes.
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