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Post by dscott on May 1, 2020 2:19:04 GMT
Some self discipline months ago saw me stood making a list of current projects down in the Workshop. Things like TESTED BOILER saw the project rise to the top as did FINISHED CYLINDERS and chassis ROLLING. Jesse's DRAWINGS boosted her to the top of the list as did the fact the raised track always got full during Club running. The dream of heading out into a mile of track at Rugby also swayed the list Starboard!
The drawings are such that you can select almost anything from them and go and make it and it is ready to fit. Even the pipes have their own drawing and it took about half an hour to get an order together for them, the other half was doing a sheet metal list to add to it. The usual sheet metal place in Reading currently being shut!!
Also doing a series for the Club Magazine helps keep on track with progress.
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David and Lily.
"Daddy what did you do during the Lockdown 2020?" "Dear Katie, I built most of a Jessie!"
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Post by uuu on May 1, 2020 6:21:10 GMT
I like Jessie. Well I would say that, since it's the loco I'm (very slowly) building. I need to chase you a bit (only a little) to catch up - I too have the boiler and cylinders done, but need to finish the axleboxes to have a rolling chassis. I too have been selecting bits from the drawings and making them, so at the appropriate time I can appear to surge ahead as little add-ons appear from hidden boxes.
I'm looking forward to following your progress.
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Post by chrisb on May 1, 2020 11:05:04 GMT
That’s the thing with Ken’s drawings, they are that good if you make each part accurately then you should just be able to bolt it all together, none of this drill holes in part x to suit part y
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Post by jo479 on May 1, 2020 17:49:51 GMT
That reminds me of Princess of Wales by Martin you know who, like probably most model engineers, I used to make things off one drawing and put them away in a box awaiting fitting at a later date, the piston and piston rod were on separate drawings (?) I made the rods and put them away, later when I came to do the cylinders I roughed out the piston blank and went to tap it, 1/4"BSF on drawing, I thought, hang on I've never used that size at home before, checked the other drawing 1/4" 40 ME, since that day I finish everything before I put them away, I don't trust drawings much, particularly his. Mind you I'm working on a worse design at the moment which shall remain nameless.
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Post by ettingtonliam on May 1, 2020 20:00:53 GMT
Well at least if you'd drilled the piston blank for 1/4" BSF then you could still open up for 1/4" 40ME. Better that than the other way round.
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Post by dscott on May 1, 2020 23:56:30 GMT
ibb.co/N2p4N2xYES! So many wonderful Locomotive designs available to us and an inability to complete them because of bad drawings. Asia comes up as the worst so far. Next Neville Evans who I indeed got to know! Followed by Martin Evans. I had a wonderful chat about Jinties at last years Oldham Exhibition. So few people and so many exhibits... £ Don't ask what I spent! I even made it into a Youtube video getting a green bank card out by Model Engineers Laser stand. Blackgates came up with the right wheels which have the balance weights cast in, correct number of spokes and after 7 long days have got them fettled. They will be black but I like to do a spray of yellow Filler Primer which shows all the imperfections! And another day of work. And the wrong wheels? They are perfect for a Southern E1. But in the words of Chris Eden-Green "Why did they make an E2!!!" A wonderful subject for a NEW BUILD then make a batch of 6 and replace the imposters? THOMAS! But when your Five, anything blue will do. My Fowler Complex was to be the next out as she was showing wonderful progress but the boiler needs lots of work on the Water Gauge top and other bits before testing. Plus many more Drawings and modifications to work out. Talking of Working Out. Jessie's front buffer beam got sanded on both front and back Friday ready for it to stop raining to re attach the angles and to prime it. David and Lily.
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Post by uuu on May 2, 2020 10:21:38 GMT
Don't attach the angles upside down. I did on mine and then fettled them to fit - couldn't understand why they were not quite right. No one will notice.
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Post by dscott on May 2, 2020 22:28:03 GMT
The top front angle seriously needed to be lowered so today I cleaned it up and drilled in sideways towards the top. Battery screwdrivers are just superb in and out of the workshop. I then filed down or up for their new positions. Plus cleaning another batch of the tiny bolts with a small file.
I gave the front face another hour of draw filing and sanding. Then left the hook surround setting in a bed of supersteel with the 4 1/8 rivets in position. Getting this square is just so important.
Now at the back of the beam, I needed a spacer so having run out of brass bar. I cut, and faced off some 1" diameter. The mill chewed it down to half inch thick for Afternoon Tea! Easy job to line it up with the 4 holes and spot through. I plan a wide slot to fit the Lubricator into with possibly 2 screws into the block.
David and Lily.
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Post by phild1 on May 6, 2020 6:47:51 GMT
David, I have sent you a chat message with Facebook messenger. Shared some pictures with you of my loco.
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Post by dscott on May 7, 2020 23:46:49 GMT
1995 was when all the activity took place and no doubt the thick covering of paint now somewhat faded. So it is all coming off. To do the frames, the horns need unbolting one by one and marking ready to go back. This also helps in getting rid of the many sharp edges scattered among.
I once saw a friend help unload a Locomotive and get badly cut. I looked over the loco and remarked "That the builder lacked experience with files!" The owner was not amused... My friend was spared getting an angry response. I seem to remember it not working well either.
She has 4 cast brackets which are sharp enough to shave with as Gunmetal does have nasty edges. Get out the new files... Then hide them again!! These do not line up with the tops of the frames... But once banged off? Yes a swap round finds them fitting level. I think I will bolt them back with round head bolts. Iron rivets into Gunmetal is a bit fierce! All to see on Station Road Steam, Archive Jessie.
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Post by dscott on May 9, 2020 23:06:18 GMT
David, I have sent you a chat message with Facebook messenger. Shared some pictures with you of my loco. Thank you ever so much for these. Total inspiration for me and of course others who are also building Jessie's. I did the firehole door today having got and cheated with Model Engineers laser parts in Stainless to do them with. You still have to make the runners and doors. I made mine much thicker and they look very industrial. Thank you again for sharing. Best regards. David and Lily.
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Post by phild1 on May 10, 2020 10:10:03 GMT
Your very welcome. I Would put some pictures on here but haven't got the first idea how. I'm sure it's very simple if I just took the time to read the guide! Feel free to send me some images on messanger!
Phil
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Post by dscott on May 16, 2020 23:33:31 GMT
Progress continues with finishing off the buffer Beams. After many hours of rebuilding them and making the lovely hook surrounds they look lovely. The Buffer Stocks needed more turning so that the bolts would sit nicely. 8 bolts reduced in length. New footplate support angles and plenty of polishing. I did some work on the cylinders getting a datum surface ready for the attachment to the Frames at 3 Degrees. Best Regards. David and Lily. ibb.co/2yRQjj0
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Post by dscott on May 16, 2020 23:45:29 GMT
I cheated on this lovely little Door and got in the Backplate and the Levers. However You still need to machine sliding parts, and drill holes in the right place. Yes all the tiny parts need doing but when I am set up for them. Bending will take place soon. I have the Boiler fully tested so it is keen to get useful bits added. I increased the thickness to 5 mm or 3/16" Which I feel looks far better than the thin doors fitted to many. Also gives the threads more to grip against. David and Lily. ibb.co/V3FVVyr
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Post by coniston on May 17, 2020 21:15:16 GMT
Coming along nicely Dave, I can see why you would 'cheat' with the doors, they really are a nice bit of work and saving so much time.
Chris D
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Post by dscott on May 23, 2020 23:57:17 GMT
On my Fowler Complex (Simplex re design and build) I have arranged for 2 smaller axle pumps as the pump eccentric is attached etc. These are off Hunslets and butt up to brass plates. These slide up into 2 cap screws which hold them while 2 more screws are done up. The idea being that if you have a problem the body comes away with ease without major Surgery.
While the middle stay is being tamed I pondered doing a conversion. TAMED? Every edge. every corner on the model has been left absolutely SHARP??? Honestly I just caught the middle stay momentarily and ouch. An hour later this afternoon it was sorted out.
The body eventually came off and the sketches began. 1/4" plate as I have lots of it and the motion brackets are being milled, filed and built up at the moment from it. So 2 more bits were sneaked in. Essentially spotting through of all the existing holes before I mill out the middle bit to keep it in the same place from the driving axle. Four 2 BA holes and threads followed in the corners and another smaller piece milled square while set up for doing so. The pipes will have connectors that are accessible and easy to undo from the top and below. Take out the bottom 2 screws and lower it down and out ready for inspecting. Unsticking balls. Ball change, and new packing etc.
I got as far as sticking part of one Motion Bracket together and double checking as it set. Later filing the oozed out Super Steel to make it look more like a Casting from Reeves. I will do one complete and have the other as a flat pack of parts for an interesting photo for interest on here. Backing up with several screws tomorrow now the visit to THE RUGBY CLUB is cancelled!!!
David and Lily.
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Post by uuu on May 24, 2020 7:43:06 GMT
If you want it to look more like a casting, you can smear it with adhesive and dip it into a sand pit. This gives you a nice abrasive surface, to go with the sharp edges.
Wilf
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Post by dscott on May 25, 2020 0:10:53 GMT
So the day began heavy gloved reminiciant of the days of CAT OWNERSHIP and the near impossible task of giving it a TABLET!!! I still have the brakes and brake gear to unsharpen some time in the future, but give me a break, there is so much to do! As with the other parts it is best to hold it in the bench vice and tackle it with the Army of Files. Among one of the jobs is to reduce the thickness of the rivets by the angles? A look at the drawing shows the problem... 4 BA bolts to be put into tapped holes in the angle! No where on the drawing does it say clearance holes behind which you have to fiddle with nuts with rivets in the way!!!
After lunch in the garden I returned to the milling machine and the vice held the pump Stay for some trimming. This was a square taking out all the pump holding bits.
Two rivets have annoyed me for being bigger and even more in the way of the nuts so these were next. Yes you can put a 3/32 head on a 1/8 rivet!
A week ago and social distancing as his Son had it. Our neighbour called round with some rotary brushes. He left them by the gate and we chatted. Not State Secrets as all the neighbours can hear clearly what we SHOUTED. These came in handy to clear the paint in the tight corners. I dream of setting up the grit blaster but even with it is best to mechanically remove paint. The next part through the cleaner gets a dose of RED OXIDE!!!
I made another square to slide into the milled opening and stuck it in place over Dinner. TEA fur Northerners. Wi Mum frum Manchester we need translations. A wonderful hint is to use masking tape otherwise we a re back to a bolted in pump without a hole for it. Yes even the holes had sharp edges. ALL OF THEM.
I did odd bits of Motion Brackets when the mill was set up with a big cutter for the edges. Now where did I put that bag of SANDPIT SAND Wilf?
David and Lily.
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Post by uuu on May 25, 2020 6:23:45 GMT
If you're using full size heads on your 4BA bolts, you could go up a size and substitute 3BA with reduced head, so you can tap the angle instead of going nuts.
Wilf
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Post by uuu on May 25, 2020 9:57:17 GMT
And, talking of frame-erecting conflicts, I didn't follow the drawings on my own Jessie, when riveting on some of the fixtures. Countersunk holes in the frames were specified, but I missed that, and made a head on the rivets instead. So I had to file a small amount from the centre stretcher to clear one.
Wilf
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