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Post by osiris09 on Jul 8, 2020 4:43:50 GMT
Does anyone have any idea of a close match for the malachite green used on Bulleid's Pacific's. I want to start getting things ready to do some painting on my Blackmore Vale but over here in NZ i don't have access to all the paint brands that do loco colours that you get over in the UK. Its easy enough to go to the local car paint dealer and get it mixed, but i would like something that resembles the colour closely. I've seen a few suggestions on other websites, but any suggestions from someone that's already gone through this?
Cheers
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 6:54:05 GMT
Phoenix paints in UK suppled mine. May be worth contacting them to see if they can supply overseas or help on a paint code ? From their site below:-
Specifications Southern Railway Standard Locomotive Malachite Green.
As used for all green locomotives and coaches painted between 1945 and 1948.
This is the lighter and brighter shade used in the post war period and possibly into the 1950's on Southern Region coaches and Electric Stock.
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Post by osiris09 on Jul 8, 2020 7:24:08 GMT
Sadly none of them ship overseas.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 7:42:47 GMT
I am happy to ship it to you. If I can help, please send a PM.
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Post by ettingtonliam on Jul 8, 2020 7:46:54 GMT
Are you sure about that? I thought there were restrictions about shipping liquid paint in tins?
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Post by osiris09 on Jul 8, 2020 9:40:55 GMT
As far as I understand shipping companies won’t transport it as it’s classed as dangerous goods. I could probably ship it in a container on a boat but I would be waiting quite some time.
I’ve seen Ford Laurel Green and Daihatsu Tropical Green mentioned as replacements but was hoping someone might have tried one of them or something else to say yes or no for a good colour match.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 9:50:06 GMT
ettingtonliam --- I checked with the shipping company before posting offer of help. There is no problem as long it is packed according to regulations.
I will leave it to osoris09 to sort.
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Post by osiris09 on Jul 8, 2020 22:22:49 GMT
Thanks William. I will see if there is anything i can source locally, purely for ease if i run out, especially with delays re virus at the moment, and if nothing comes up i may take you up on your offer.
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Post by Gary L on Jul 9, 2020 1:04:42 GMT
As far as I understand shipping companies won’t transport it as it’s classed as dangerous goods. I could probably ship it in a container on a boat but I would be waiting quite some time. I’ve seen Ford Laurel Green and Daihatsu Tropical Green mentioned as replacements but was hoping someone might have tried one of them or something else to say yes or no for a good colour match. Not Ford Laurel Green, for sure. That is a darkish green, but not quite as dark as GWR/BR "Brunswick" green. Malachite is quite a distinctive bright middle green, closer to the banners on this website, and a bit darker than LNER Apple Green.... but no, it wasn't used in the 50s either on locos or coaching stock, I think it must have gone extinct soon after Nationalisation. The Southern Region EMUs were painted a dark green by BR which I remember as having a very slightly bluish tone, and the Pacifics were painted BR Loco Green which was oddly not the same colour as the carriages, at least not in my memory. HTH Gary
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Post by osiris09 on Jul 9, 2020 2:12:08 GMT
Thanks Gary, I do wish it was as easy in NZ to get proper paint as it is in the UK. The problem with living in a country in the middle of nowhere. Somewhere else i saw ages ago someone suggested John Deere Green but im not completely convinced with that either.
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Post by steamer5 on Jul 9, 2020 4:28:30 GMT
Hi Osiris, Have you tried taking in a colour picture to one of the paint supplier & ask if they can colour match it it with there paint software? It is going to depend on how good the photo is but at least it might give you a starting point
Cheers Kerrin
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Post by osiris09 on Jul 9, 2020 4:58:56 GMT
It was one of my thoughts, but as you say it depends on the photo and the lighting in it. I found this when i wanted to start painting my B1 and every picture of mayflower was in a different lighting which of course changed the colour. In the end i found something i liked that i thought might be close and went with it. I may do the same and see what these guys here can do but the nice thing about a premix colour like for cars is that i can go to any store with that code and theoretically they will all be similar. Maybe i shouldn't be picky and go with pink :-P
Cheers Jeff
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Post by overner on Jul 9, 2020 6:52:55 GMT
I used John Deere green, bought in a rattle can from my local John Deere Dealer (£12) which seems to be a pretty close match. I think it is an enamel paint as it takes hours to fully dry. I used it on a Gauge 1 Maunsell Coach which I have a photo of somewhere - Will dig it out and post on here ...
Andy
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Post by overner on Jul 9, 2020 7:04:45 GMT
Might give you some idea of the colour ...
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Post by osiris09 on Jul 9, 2020 8:23:58 GMT
Thanks Andy. That doesn’t look bad. I actually have a can left over somewhere as well so might spray a bit out. Personally close enough is good enough for me as long as my paint job comes out ok. I just like the idea of being as close as possible with what I have available over here 🙂
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Post by Gary L on Jul 11, 2020 0:07:54 GMT
I used John Deere green, bought in a rattle can from my local John Deere Dealer (£12) which seems to be a pretty close match. I think it is an enamel paint as it takes hours to fully dry. I used it on a Gauge 1 Maunsell Coach which I have a photo of somewhere - Will dig it out and post on here ... Andy Yes from what I remember the John Deere livery might well be the closest you will get, bearing in mind you need a machinery enamel, not a general-purpose house paint. Beware of car paints by the way... it has been discussed on here a few times. The spray cans we can buy over here (probably the same for you) are generally acrylic, and the paint softens horribly at boiler temperature. (Nasty thought- John Deere touch-up spray is probably the same composition!) Two-pack car enamel is a different kettle of fish entirely, but it is nasty stuff to spray and expensive, even if somebody will sell you some. (Could be worth talking to a professional spray shop?) Photos are never a good guide for matching, unless you can find one of a Malachite Green Pacific parked next to a JD tractor (some chance!). Even the time of day affects the colour repro in photos, before you even get close to considering dyes, and screen pixels etc Best of luck! Gary
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Post by ettingtonliam on Jul 11, 2020 2:27:44 GMT
My uncle, who was an expert photograher, once told me that different makes of film exentuate colours differently, so a photo taken with Agfa film won't necessarily show colours the same a Kodak film will. Not that anyone uses actual film any more I suppose---.
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Post by barlowworks on Jul 11, 2020 7:14:03 GMT
I once made an O gauge Duchess for a friend and we had some paint mixed from a photo that he swore was the colour he remembered them in when running. When I sprayed it it was pink and has been a source of many a good natured jibe ever since. We managed to rescue the colour by adding the darkest red shade we could find and now, funnily enough it is just about right for faded BR maroon. The moral of the story, never have paint mixed from a photo.
Mike
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Post by osiris09 on Jul 11, 2020 7:40:42 GMT
Yeah after the attempt at matching colours for the B1 I am dubious about any kind of photo matching. I just hoped that some of you might have either painted your own locos a certain colour or had seen the real thing. I think I’ve got some good pointers and a place to start now. The good thing about a spam can is that it’s pretty easy to just strip it and try again if it’s awful. I prefer not to but it’s easier than a tank loco.
I’m still at the point of getting the chassis ready to take paint and need to strip the paint off the wheels so still dealing with black and red at the moment. The big decision now is how glossy to go. I honestly don’t have much knowledge of English locos and their finish (when new). I figure a gloss would be easier to clean but maybe over the top in looks?
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Post by 92220 on Jul 11, 2020 8:11:16 GMT
Colour matching from photos or a computer screen is not possible, because the photo printing operation, and computer screen colours, will always give an incorrect colour. To get a true colour match you need a solid area of colour, at least 2" square, and match in good daylight without a bright sun, and between 11 am and 2 pm in winter and between 11am and 3pm in summer, because outside of these times, the sun is bluer in the morning and redder/yellower in the afternoon. Unfortunately I no longer have my car colour swatches, but from memory, there was no standard colour that matched the Post War Malachite Green. The Pre War Malachite Green is another matter though. That was almost the same as LNER Apple Green - not to be confuseed with the more poular LNER Doncaster Green.
Bob.
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