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Post by ettingtonliam on Jul 24, 2020 20:54:00 GMT
I've just had an email from my club, who have been circulated by Southern Boiler Works, who have had a break in, and the components of 2 copper boilers stolen. One is a 7 1/4" gauge Class 5, the other a 5" gauge GWR County. It would seem that the thieves knew what they wanted, and targetted those 2 boilers.
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Post by Cro on Jul 24, 2020 21:14:55 GMT
Slight correction 7 1/4” County, both the part built and the original were taken.
Sadly Paul is very much out of pocket now and it’s unlikely anyone will get caught for this.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2020 21:56:34 GMT
IIRC the flanges were also stolen and yet other materials were not, so you can rule out pikeys and any other lowlife stealing it for scrap value. This seems very much a targetted theft by someone who wanted the boiler concerned. Sad to say that means it could be someone within our tight community, keep your eyes open guys and help find these boilers and get them back to their rightful owner. Such a situation angers me beyond belief. Paul is a very decent guy who doesn't need this crap, someone must know something, if so please contact Paul asap.
Pete
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Post by smallbrother on Jul 24, 2020 22:11:10 GMT
It beggars belief that anyone in this hobby could do that. How can they live with themselves? Just imagine the lies they will have to tell for years to come.
Pete.
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Post by 92220 on Jul 25, 2020 8:08:11 GMT
IIRC the flanges were also stolen and yet other materials were not, so you can rule out pikeys and any other lowlife stealing it for scrap value. This seems very much a targetted theft by someone who wanted the boiler concerned. Sad to say that means it could be someone within our tight community, keep your eyes open guys and help find these boilers and get them back to their rightful owner. Such a situation angers me beyond belief. Paul is a very decent guy who doesn't need this crap, someone must know something, if so please contact Paul asap. Pete +1 !!!
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Post by ettingtonliam on Jul 25, 2020 11:37:10 GMT
The number of BR Std 5 and GWR County locos in 7 1/4" gauge must be fairly limited, you would think, so it shouldn't take too much detective work amongst the fraternity to track down the sudden appearance of a new boiler?
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Post by jackrae on Jul 25, 2020 14:12:59 GMT
With any luck the build-progress photos (assuming there are some) will be of use as forensic evidence. No two silver joints are visually the same so as good as fingerprints
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 14:17:30 GMT
With any luck the build-progress photos (assuming there are some) will be of use as forensic evidence. No two silver joints are visually the same so as good as fingerprints Considering how advanced the build is it's possible that Paul had already given it an ID. the old boiler should have one anyway to help trace the new one if the thief keeps both.
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Post by ettingtonliam on Jul 25, 2020 15:36:39 GMT
I thought they were both part built new boilers, or was there an old one as well?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 15:44:07 GMT
I thought they were both part built new boilers, or was there an old one as well? I could be wrong but thought one was the original, I'd have to relook at Paul's FB post to be sure
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 15:53:38 GMT
Sorry, yes two new boilers...latest info is a Black astra type van is of interest...it had blacked out windows and black wheels. Also the latest is that this looks like a targetted robbery, Paul can't give details as to why yet, he doesn't think it's a hobbyist, no details as to why? I think I read somewherelse about the old boiler, not sure if any truth behind that, Paul hasn't mentioned it that I can see.
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Post by stevep on Jul 25, 2020 15:57:18 GMT
Paul's FB post makes it sound like they were both new boilers that were stolen, with the inner fireboxes completed, and all the remaining bits to finish also taken.
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Post by Cro on Jul 25, 2020 18:09:30 GMT
Not hobbyist but clearly sounds like someone who knew what Paul had in there, he’s only just moved a few months ago having relocated down Devon way.
The old boiler from the county was also taken having spoke to Paul a few days ago, luckily it sounds like he had already redrawn the boiler so has the info he needs but still not the same as having the real thing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 18:27:32 GMT
Not hobbyist but clearly sounds like someone who knew what Paul had in there, he’s only just moved a few months ago having relocated down Devon way. The old boiler from the county was also taken having spoke to Paul a few days ago, luckily it sounds like he had already redrawn the boiler so has the info he needs but still not the same as having the real thing. Ah...thank's for confirming about the old boiler Adam, I thought that I had read that somewhere..
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Post by ettingtonliam on Jul 25, 2020 20:39:37 GMT
The info that was circulated to my club just mentioned the 2 new boilers with photos, no mention of an old one. Was it still useable, or just scrap? I could just wish that the thief tried steaming it and it did him/her some damage.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2020 20:51:35 GMT
Having seen Paul's work on bringing a seriously failed boiler back good as new I can only assume it was beyond repair. Paul would have been using it to make a duplicate to fit the frames first time.
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Post by Midland on Jul 26, 2020 10:00:54 GMT
Hi All Paul has asked me to post the following, "What's been taken is a 7.1/4” br std 5 and a 7.1/4” gwr county boilers, both in construction and what turns out to be most of all the components, I've now found three flanged plates. They also took an old 7.1/4” county boiler I was copying. The police tell me the thieves knew exactly what they were doing in their method of entry. A black astra size van with black wheels and windows was seen on site and is of interest. I dont believe at all there is any involvement from a hobbyist." Cheers David
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Post by silverfox on Jul 26, 2020 10:40:36 GMT
You would think that with all the CCTV we are surrounded with, a few hours checking those in ,say a five mile radius in a given time frame,might prove fruitful. No doubt all the available personnel are tied up chasing those with gollies in the front room, or someone shouting something that in normal times would be ignored but now is totally un PC,and the local snowflakes are offended, dancing with Extinction Rebellion oiks and painting fingernails to show solidarity with gay pride, but they no doubt still on one knee doing their bit for BLM. Oh for old fashioned policing, Bring back Gene Hunt and Jack Regan, and to hell with lowlife perceived oooman rights, as far as i am concerned once they break the law, they are no longer negotiable. What we need is MINIMUM sentencing and a judicary and penal system that grows some balls. At the moment thre general population and the Police afre being laughed at, look at the amount of times thr householder is done for given a scrote a bit of a beating when they broke in. They should be completely absolved rom any prosecution. Trouble is, those who make the rules have never been in that position. I want just one to be turned ove, and gthen we might see some action, and how many years will those pikey vermin get? 15 Rant over,normal service is now resumed!!
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Post by ettingtonliam on Jul 26, 2020 10:48:00 GMT
With respect to Paul, I'm not sure I believe that what was obviously a targeted robbery, with the thieves knowing exactly what they wanted (so not just a theft for the value of the scrap) can't have a hobbyist involved, either providing the expert knowledge of what to take and what to leave, or being the ultimate intended recipient of the boilers.
I hope Paul is insured for this type of loss.
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Post by Jo on Jul 26, 2020 12:56:48 GMT
If we assume this was stolen to order then the boiler inspectors should be keeping an eye out in the next few years for any builds that could have the stolen boilers as they will have to approve the boiler certificates.. Paul's boilers are normally not to drawing but a higher standard so will still be identifiable to a knowledgeable inspector. Jo
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