don9f
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Post by don9f on Dec 16, 2020 0:03:32 GMT
The accident at Grantham in 1906 may be the one you were thinking of, as tragically both footplate men lost their lives. I can think of other “high profile” accidents involving SPADs where one or other of the crew survived, but didn’t necessarily have the answers! The derailment of 46521 was obviously a major “cock up” made worse by being plastered all over youtube worldwide....most embarrassing for the staff involved! Cheers Don
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Post by dscott on Dec 16, 2020 0:37:31 GMT
When you get EVENTUALLY BUILT BEHAVE YOURSELF on the track!!! David. and Lily allowing the kitchen to be a Photo Studio.
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Post by mbrown on Dec 16, 2020 0:52:34 GMT
The length of the whistle made me suspect that they had the signalman's permission to pass the signal at danger - most rule books state that, if doing so, a long whistle must be given, not just the usual "pop". But as the road wasn't set, either the permission was given prematurely (i.e. the signalman was at fault) or the footplate crew should have waited for a second signal - possibly a green flag as mentioned.
What is unclear to me is why they set off when they did. Normally, the crew would need a guard's signal plus one from the box saying the road was clear. Did they just go on the say so of the guard?
I think the driver is looking out from the far side, but I suspect the catch point wasn't visible from his side of the footplate. The fireman should have checked, of course, but didn't.
I suspect there will be a report on the Railway Inspectorate website as this is clearly a reportable offence. I will try and look it up tomorrow unless someone beats me to it.
Malcolm
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Post by Jock McFarlane on Dec 16, 2020 8:46:37 GMT
The accident at Grantham in 1906 may be the one you were thinking of, as tragically both footplate men lost their lives. I can think of other “high profile” accidents involving SPADs where one or other of the crew survived, but didn’t necessarily have the answers! The derailment of 46521 was obviously a major “cock up” made worse by being plastered all over youtube worldwide....most embarrassing for the staff involved! Cheers Don Salisbury in 1906 was an other one when an up boat special non-stop from Templecombe failed to slow enough when passing through the station. The crew did not survive.
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don9f
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Post by don9f on Dec 16, 2020 11:32:36 GMT
The length of the whistle made me suspect that they had the signalman's permission to pass the signal at danger - most rule books state that, if doing so, a long whistle must be given, not just the usual "pop". But as the road wasn't set, either the permission was given prematurely (i.e. the signalman was at fault) or the footplate crew should have waited for a second signal - possibly a green flag as mentioned. What is unclear to me is why they set off when they did. Normally, the crew would need a guard's signal plus one from the box saying the road was clear. Did they just go on the say so of the guard? I think the driver is looking out from the far side, but I suspect the catch point wasn't visible from his side of the footplate. The fireman should have checked, of course, but didn't. I suspect there will be a report on the Railway Inspectorate website as this is clearly a reportable offence. I will try and look it up tomorrow unless someone beats me to it. Malcolm There was more to this incident than what’s apparent from the video. I have never seen any official report but understand that errors were made by the footplate crew and the signalman. The driver had indeed been authorised to pass the signal at danger, but what followed next was the cock-up! I don’t know the rule book they work to on the GCR, but the present day rule book on Network Rail requires that when passing signals at danger, the driver checks that the position of all points correspond to the intended route....obviously that didn’t happen! Don
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Post by delaplume on Dec 16, 2020 14:25:30 GMT
Hello Don,
Yes, that's quite right----- The fact that the Driver was aware of the failed signal, and of the catch points immediately in front of him means he should have exercised extreme caution including sending the Fireman ahead on foot to asses the points and to see the loco safely through...
In the past I've been on 46521 and as David's 4mm model clearly demonstrates you can't see much of the immediate track in front of you ( travelling in reverse in this case ).....Just fortunate that it wasn't the loco at the front.....In either case it'll be a gauging check on all wheelsets....
PS}---- Whilst at B'North I was on a shunter that was de-railed whilst re-entering the station over a set of clipped points.....I'll put that on a separate thread if you like ??
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Post by lesstoneuk on Dec 16, 2020 19:25:48 GMT
Hello Don, Yes, that's quite right----- The fact that the Driver was aware of the failed signal, and of the catch points immediately in front of him means he should have exercised extreme caution including sending the Fireman ahead on foot to asses the points and to see the loco safely through... In the past I've been on 46521 and as David's 4mm model clearly demonstrates you can't see much of the immediate track in front of you ( travelling in reverse in this case ).....Just fortunate that it wasn't the loco at the front.....In either case it'll be a gauging check on all wheelsets.... PS}---- Whilst at B'North I was on a shunter that was de-railed whilst re-entering the station over a set of clipped points.....I'll put that on a separate thread if you like ?? Inthe late 80s,I was guard on the Cowley to Longbridge car panels consisting of a class 50 and 14 Ferry vans. We had delivered the ferry vans to Longbridge and gone light engine to Washwood Heath yard to pick up a rake of Autics and Cartics to return to Cowley. As we backed onto our train we heard a bompity-bompity-bomp. I got down and the leading driver's side driving wheel was resting on a rail chair. "Eff it" we both had a close look and thought. We both reckoned that if we reversed slowly, the offending wheel would pop back on, then we could take the class 50 to Saltley for checks. Slowly the driver reversed, up the wheel rose, almost there, yes, yes, Bomp! The entire loco dropped in the dirt.
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Post by delaplume on Dec 17, 2020 1:03:04 GMT
Hello Don, Yes, that's quite right----- The fact that the Driver was aware of the failed signal, and of the catch points immediately in front of him means he should have exercised extreme caution including sending the Fireman ahead on foot to asses the points and to see the loco safely through... In the past I've been on 46521 and as David's 4mm model clearly demonstrates you can't see much of the immediate track in front of you ( travelling in reverse in this case ).....Just fortunate that it wasn't the loco at the front.....In either case it'll be a gauging check on all wheelsets.... PS}---- Whilst at B'North I was on a shunter that was de-railed whilst re-entering the station over a set of clipped points.....I'll put that on a separate thread if you like ?? Inthe late 80s,I was guard on the Cowley to Longbridge car panels consisting of a class 50 and 14 Ferry vans. We had delivered the ferry vans to Longbridge and gone light engine to Washwood Heath yard to pick up a rake of Autics and Cartics to return to Cowley. As we backed onto our train we heard a bompity-bompity-bomp. I got down and the leading driver's side driving wheel was resting on a rail chair. "Eff it" we both had a close look and thought. We both reckoned that if we reversed slowly, the offending wheel would pop back on, then we could take the class 50 to Saltley for checks. Slowly the driver reversed, up the wheel rose, almost there, yes, yes, Bomp! The entire loco dropped in the dirt. That's one heavy Hoover !!.........their engines were a development from the ill-fated "deltic" DP2 I believe ??
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Post by delaplume on Dec 17, 2020 1:50:10 GMT
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dscott
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Post by dscott on Dec 17, 2020 2:17:12 GMT
Superb!! Can we get to choose who we guide? David. Please don't tell Lily. One of mine from China.
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lesstoneuk
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Post by lesstoneuk on Dec 17, 2020 2:41:34 GMT
I need to go pee.........
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Post by delaplume on Dec 17, 2020 2:43:40 GMT
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Post by dscott on Dec 22, 2020 2:55:30 GMT
Loved that Alan. I got to do 2 steam railways in the States about 20 years ago... Far too many clanging of bells!! This one is SMILE OF THE DAY. We chatted with the owner who told of the long waiting for the pattenner. I love the lagging which gets us a use for that old pair of socks that seem to be lingering. 2016s SWEET PEA RALLY at The Fareham Track. Another superb weekend rounded off with afternoon tea with Malcolm High in a superb clubhouse. David and Lily. It rained at the very last moment.
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Post by dscott on Dec 22, 2020 3:02:19 GMT
WE COULD BE TWINS!!! We need to laugh about ourselves from time to time especially with our weather being as it is. Photo by Lily. David and Lily.
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Post by runner42 on Dec 22, 2020 5:19:41 GMT
How do you get on wearing face masks?
Brian
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Post by ettingtonliam on Dec 22, 2020 8:17:34 GMT
When we were running 2' gauge Ruston diesels at a brick and tile works, derailments were almost a daily occurence (the track was awful), but 4 strong chaps and a couple of scaffold poles usually got the loco back on . Except for the day when one came off the track and fell into the water filled clay pit---.
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Post by dscott on Dec 23, 2020 0:56:55 GMT
Talking of Machinery falling over... The above piece of equipment was found in a certain Field in a well known part of the countryside to many here, outside Bristol. SOMEONE had to build something out of Bits. I love the heat shield for the exhaust pipe the best?? Alas We did not hear it start up. David and Lily Much missing said Exhibition!
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Post by barlowworks on Dec 23, 2020 12:47:27 GMT
Just a couple of examples of the general hilarity that pervades through Barlow Works. Here is a sigh in my sons front room wall, he has a particularly fearless 2 year old who regards the front room as an adventure playground. Of course the addition of a Christmas tree just made it better still.
When my daughter in law texted a picture with a caption that rainy days are an ideal excuse for blanket forts I said I must build one immediately, so, here we have blanket fort milling, proven to be 5% more accurate than conventional milling.
Merry Christmas and a Happy and safe new Year
Mike
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Post by delaplume on Dec 23, 2020 13:26:47 GMT
Now THAT'S dedication !!
"Happy Christmas" to you and yours--- and a Healthy New Year
Joyce and Alan
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dscott
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Post by dscott on Dec 24, 2020 3:49:02 GMT
Colourful and Cheerful and preventing us getting in the shop! Not to mention Lily missed getting to the shop due to RAIN. Love the Milling machine Mike. Used mine today and forgot all about food shopping. David and Lily.
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