Harrogate Show

[ace]

Today (Saturday) was great for me too, like others spent quite a few quid on heavy metals and stocked up on nuts, bolts, springs etc (expensive ££££). I decided to invest in a new good quality tilting rotary table that I can mount on my lathe and I am now contemplating buying a new milling machine from Warco after seeing it and liking it too.

However I too didn't see any badges other than my own, perhaps next year we could have Tee-shirts with the logo on it.

Sorry spamcanman left a message on your phone but forgot to give my name

ace

[arron]

Well I behaved myself and only bought a couple of bits, some large drills and some more steam oil.

Too busy ogling nice loco's to see any badges!

Arron

[44767]

I have been there both days helping (a bit ) on Doug Hewsons' stand and have only seen one badge so far- and he walked past without stopping!

I can't really buy too much because of baggage allowance but I'm sure I'll be tempted with some stuff today.

Sapper made himself known and gave me directions to his track so I can have a drive of his Black 5- looking forward to that very much.

[spamcanman]

May 10, 2009 6:42:28 GMT 44767 said:

I have been there both days helping (a bit ) on Doug Hewsons' stand and have only seen one badge so far- and he walked past without stopping!

I can't really buy too much because of baggage allowance but I'm sure I'll be tempted with some stuff today.

Sapper made himself known and gave me directions to his track so I can have a drive of his Black 5- looking forward to that very much.

I spoke with Doug for some time and he's offered to build me a pair of custom lubricators for my 'Brit' I had no idea you may have been standing there.

[spamcanman]

May 9, 2009 21:10:30 GMT ace said:

Today (Saturday) was great for me too, like others spent quite a few quid on heavy metals and stocked up on nuts, bolts, springs etc (expensive ££££). I decided to invest in a new good quality tilting rotary table that I can mount on my lathe and I am now contemplating buying a new milling machine from Warco after seeing it and liking it too.

However I too didn't see any badges other than my own, perhaps next year we could have Tee-shirts with the logo on it.


Sorry spamcanman left a message on your phone but forgot to give my name

ace

Hi Ace, I got the message and did wonder who it was, I cannot believe we did not bump into each other somewhere in there.
What's the Warco mill you fancy?

[spamcanman]

May 9, 2009 8:48:06 GMT drumkilbo said:

I was at Harrogate yesterday [ Friday ] for 3 hours, got lots of bits of heavy metal etc.
I noticed quite a few 'Britannia's ' completed and incomplete, would these be Winson/Modelworks ?. and quite a few locos that I hadn't seen before. Duke of Gloucester in 2 different scales. No badges spotted tho, had they all blown away ?

Ian.

Ian, there were a couple of winson/modelworks 'Brit's' there including one for sale on the 'Station Road Steam' stand but there was a scratch built one in the middle of the exhibition that was the absolute show stopper for me. It looked as if it had just been completed and the amount of scale detail to it was amazing I thought it should win the show

[drumkilbo]

Hi Spamcanman, I agree, it was outstanding ! It was the only one I photographed, but it's nice to see your detailed pics, I couldn't really get near enough without being in the way.

Ian.

[Deleted]

Wonderful! Makes my little Brit seem a little mundane by comparison! Oh well, perhaps my next one ( a 5" brass framed Victoriana perhaps) will be more scale like and hence more rewarding!
JB

[simonwass]

The Brit was very nice, if it were in the competition it would get good marks. Shame builder decided to drill a hole through the regulator handle, presumably to fit an extension rod, why he couldnt fit one over the round bit of the handle?
The 7 1/4" LMS 2F was also nice and on the same stand.
Did anyone notice the 3 1/2" B17? Builder entered it as a fully working model, judges took one look and refused to judge it as it was clearly (even to my eyes) a static dummy model. Said judge also commented on their struggle to award points for most entered models, anyone know a full list of final awards?
Nice to see the 3 ex Primrose Valley workshop staff, Stan Bray (he looks younger now even though its ~12years since I last saw him!), Geoff Sheppard & Mike Chrisp. Also met one of the traction engine modellers I used to drive round with, John Bushell (3" scale 'Minnie').
The 7 1/4" Irish narrow gauge was simple but impressive just by its bulk, I tried for a pic bit no chance as it was in a busy area and I needed to by 15ft away to get a shot! I stood for 10 mins to get one of the 6" scale Showmans.
John Heslops Bulleid was to his usual standard, some of the bits he carves from solid is amazing if sometimes OTT, full credit though.
The Bentley 4cyl car engine had people running from the 4 corners when it was struck up, why he would only run for a few minutes I dont know? It sounded great!
Spent 15 mins discussing Mr Hewsons Bentley BR2 induction pipe castings with someone local to me, forgot to exchange details though!
Did anyone count the number of different woods used on the mini wheelbarrows? Most I've never heard of!
Overall I was quite disapointed by the general lack of quality models on display, some of the club stands were unbelievably poor compared to the last time I went. Double edged sword I suppose, display all brilliant models and Joe Public will not think about starting up, show plenty of rough & ready and everyone thinks they can have a go?

[ace]

Hi spamcanman

Yes I looked around to see if I could see people but it was busy. spent most of the morning buy metals and other expensive stuff.

I was looking at the Warco WM-18. Would love something bigger but just ain't got the room. (or the extra ££££)

I spoke to a chap on the Warco stand and I nearly bought it there and then but managed to control myself. I am going to get rid of a few things first in the workshop shop I can rearrange the bench and move the stack-on toolbox to allow a bigger milling area.
ace

[stantheman]

Just a word on the Milling Machine. I have no axe to grind regarding Warco in general terms, found them to be as good as the rest with service etc. I had one of their mills which looked very similar to the one you have pictured, the major difference appears to be the column, mine was round. If the head is anything like mine it was/is a geared head and I was continually stripping the fibre type gear that was between the motor drive gear and the rest of the gear train. maybe this was just me being a bit too ambitious with interrupted cuts, but with the downtime and cost it began to be a joke, so I sold it on and bought one of their VMC machines.

[spamcanman]

Hi Ace, I have the same machine it doesn't have a round column the head runs in a dove-tail column but I will check the gears although I have had no trouble at all.

Cheers

[Deleted]

May 10, 2009 23:18:02 GMT simonwass said:

The Brit was very nice, if it were in the competition it would get good marks. Shame builder decided to drill a hole through the regulator handle, presumably to fit an extension rod, why he couldnt fit one over the round bit of the handle?

Imagine spending years on this Brit, proudly taking it to a prestigious exhibition, where all and sundry admire it, talk about it and aspire to it, and the judge says "You can't win the top prize because you've drilled a hole in the regulator handle........."

BTW what and where are the criteria for marking exhibited models? Is there a thread here somewhere?
JB

[44767]

Hi Spamcanman,

Sorry I missed you on Doug's stand. I tried to find you on the Gauge 1 stand but saw no obvious signs of you. I might see you at Gilling next weekend; I think you had said you were going there. Ask Dave Nobel where I am if you can't find me.

Mike

[spamcanman]

Hi Mike,
I had a miserable day on the Gauge 1 stand my run was for 10.30 I steamed my 9f then the gauge glass O-ring failed leaking steam everywhere so in a panic not to miss my slot over filled the boiler on my Battle of Britain and water blocked the blower pipe and I could not clear it in time so did not run.

I did enjoy the show though spent lot's of money for my new workshop (complete set of ME taps'n'dies) and tooling also bought a very nice 3 lever water gauge from Dave Noble
I also joined the GL5 group and should make the trip to Gilling next weekend.

[simonwass]

May 11, 2009 7:37:18 GMT simplyloco said:

May 10, 2009 23:18:02 GMT simonwass said:

The Brit was very nice, if it were in the competition it would get good marks. Shame builder decided to drill a hole through the regulator handle, presumably to fit an extension rod, why he couldnt fit one over the round bit of the handle?

Imagine spending years on this Brit, proudly taking it to a prestigious exhibition, where all and sundry admire it, talk about it and aspire to it, and the judge says "You can't win the top prize because you've drilled a hole in the regulator handle........."

BTW what and where are the criteria for marking exhibited models? Is there a thread here somewhere?
JB

If you are building a model with an aim of winning a prize, or indeed building it to a standard to which you 'could' win a prize, then the simple fact he did drill the hole (it was the very 1st thing I spotted as I always look in the cab 1st) when all he needs to do for his extension rod is to clip it on is a huge oversight on the builders part.
If there were 2 identical locos each vieing for 1st place, this one would be 2nd, simple as. The hole shouldnt be there but it is and is in a very obvious place.
Fact is judges look for stuff like this, even if the paint finish is off a bit the fact the model may be an amazing performer and is built to works drawings and is 100% perfect, paint certainly used to mark models down, I'm told it isnt as important as it used to be. Years ago you had to paint in egshell to get marks, woe betide someone who put the correct full gloss on their model! Full size were always full gloss when built but this fact was lost on some judges. It would be nice to have the 1 - 10 or whatever it is on how stuff is judged - hint hint
I did say though that is was fantastic and I too aspire to it, just pointing out a silly mistake.

[spamcanman]

actually I did notice this the loco was painted in full matt

just found a picture through the Brit window with the hole concerned.

[simonwass]

May 11, 2009 7:08:54 GMT @stantheman said:

Just a word on the Milling Machine. I have no axe to grind regarding Warco in general terms, found them to be as good as the rest with service etc. I had one of their mills which looked very similar to the one you have pictured, the major difference appears to be the column, mine was round. If the head is anything like mine it was/is a geared head and I was continually stripping the fibre type gear that was between the motor drive gear and the rest of the gear train. maybe this was just me being a bit too ambitious with interrupted cuts, but with the downtime and cost it began to be a joke, so I sold it on and bought one of their VMC machines.

I've not good good words for WarCo.
Our major mill/drill (now economy mill/drill) has an horrendous rattle from the quill when using the slabbing cutter, or any endmill over 3/8". Cant use it at night due to noise even in brick built & fully lined & insulated workshop (with double glazing!)
It went back as faulty 3 times but each time returned as no fault found and the pesky bu**ers cut 12" off the cable each time.
We now have to regularly pour melted grease down to quieten it down for a few months, over time it drips through lathering the chuck end and it needs cleaning and more grease pouring down.
Their customer service was zero and will probably never get any further custom from us. Anyway there are plenty more suppliers begging for custom now, choice was very limited 15 years ago.

[simonwass]

May 11, 2009 11:20:03 GMT spamcanman said:

actually I did notice this the loco was painted in full matt

I thought it was eggshell?
Photos show a little shine/light reflection but it should be full gloss!
Problem with paint is a small model even if painted with the same paint as full size, the 2 will appear different due to way visible light comes off surface. I'm sure such as N gauge has to be painted a lighter shade as there is so little light coming off them in comparison.
May be Chris could answer this one?

[spamcanman]

I thought this 5" Horwich Crab was beautiful and a loco I would love to own one day



I have some various other pictures of stuff I took if you guys want to see them I'll put them up.