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Post by havoc on Jul 5, 2010 19:14:33 GMT
I think it is. When you make a boiler you make plugs for it so it can be tested. By extention I feel that soeone that buys a boiler should order it with plugs furnished. Those buying an engine to restore won't have a problem making a few plugs either. The inspector has the needed gear and a few adaptors for common threads and he brings some spanners etc but that's it. The deal is you bring your boiler in a condition that it can be tested: reasonably clean, accessible and plugged.
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Post by russell on Jul 6, 2010 9:08:31 GMT
Depends on the wording on the certificate.
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Post by gwrfan on Jul 6, 2010 9:53:19 GMT
Depends on the wording on the certificate. Russell. Boiler Test Certificates (hydraulic and steam) are issued by clubs or societies on behalf of either the Northern or Southern Federation of Model engineering Societies. These Certificates are issued (blank) by those Federations, and as far as I can see should be valid for that boiler for the specified period of validity even if the owner changes clubs or societies. I cannot see anything in the Blue Book to say that the Certificate as issued by the owner's club/society becomes invalid when/if that person ceases to be a member of that club/society. The Boiler Test Record states: "If the boiler/model changes ownership, please check that its certificates are accepted by the club/organisation whose insurance the new owner may wish to use." I would suggest that any valid Federation Certificates would usually be accepted by new club or society. after all, they would simply issue one almost exactly the same! Geoff |
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Post by mutley on Jul 6, 2010 13:33:30 GMT
These certs are issued by club boiler inspectors who are only permitted to inspect club members boilers and that is the limit of their imdemnity. I am 6000 miles from my Blue book at the moment but from memory the first page or so make refrence to the fact that this document.... has been agreed and approved by the principal provider of insurance to the model engineering hobby and that individuals should make there own arrangments.... If you leave a society you become an individual and are no longer coverd by these arrangments or my imdemnity as a club boiler tester to issue a cert. for your boiler as a club member.
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Post by ettingtonliam on Jul 7, 2010 10:59:04 GMT
Doesn't this mean that when you've tested their boiler, they have to continue as a memeber of your society or the boiler insurance lapses? Seems to me that this way the club is guaranteed a future income from subscriptions/membership fees. Does it matter if some members never show up so long as they keep sending the money?
Richard
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Post by mutley on Jul 7, 2010 12:39:52 GMT
Yes it does, or at least remain a member at another club. If you leave a club you become an individual.
f you change clubs the main insurance companys will honour your ticket as you are a club member and so covered by the scheme.
Maybe clubs could make this point to new members to try and avoid the risk of them being used as a cheap source of boiler tickets.
At the end of the day it is at the boiler inspectors discretion wether he tests a boiler or not. If he feels this person is going to just disapear he is entitled to refuse to test the boiler.
Andy
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Post by Boadicea on Jul 9, 2010 8:14:00 GMT
Seems to me that this way the club is guaranteed a future income from subscriptions/membership fees. Does it matter if some members never show up so long as they keep sending the money?Richard Well said mate. At the end of the day it is at the boiler inspectors discretion wether he tests a boiler or not. If he feels this person is going to just disapear he is entitled to refuse to test the boiler.Andy Thinknottle. The tester is a volunteer, so he can decide if he tests any boiler. If the owner is a member of a club, the fact that he might move on is not a good reason for the club not to test his boiler - if boiler testing is part of the stated benefits of club membership. |
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Post by jgb7573 on Jul 9, 2010 8:42:51 GMT
A difficult one this. I can understand how some people can get frustrated by this.
However, in my club's constitution, the major objective is to support the hobby of model engineering in all its forms. If that means some members get a boiler test for the cost of the subs and make no other contribution to the club, well so be it. We may hear no more from the guy, but if he's been encouraged and supported then that's what the club's about.
There are plenty of other ways in which members can appear to be 'takers' rather then 'givers'. That's true of every other organisation I've belonged to. It's the way of the world.
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Post by kwil on Jul 9, 2010 8:53:54 GMT
Perhaps not everybody is gregarious enough to attend with regularity? It does encourage the hobby in one form or another and they may encourage another who needs the club around them to actually join in.
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