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Post by greensands on Feb 9, 2015 10:33:09 GMT
Hi all - This is worth a look - and take note of the length of that train!
tinyurl.com/TrainShrugsOffSnow
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2015 12:03:05 GMT
WOW !!------- I made that about 110 vehicles which if you take an average weight of say 30 tons that gives you}--- 3,300 tons on the move !!...............Train 1, Snow Nill.
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Post by greensands on Feb 9, 2015 12:18:53 GMT
The axle loading surely has got to be 25 tons minimum as I think that this the permitted loading in the UK and so are we not talking of a 110*100 = 11000 ton train on the move?
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Post by Roger on Feb 9, 2015 16:07:35 GMT
That's a pretty big train but they are common in Canada where we saw many with multiple locomotives. Take a look on YouTube for Railroad Alaska and you'll see that those are the norm. It's a very interesting series of programs.
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Post by jem on Feb 9, 2015 17:47:52 GMT
Maybe in Canada Roger, but usually in the UK, its the wrong type of snow or something, so this is rather splendid, How do you count the number of trucks when is all you can see is snow snow snow for the first n number of trucks?
Jem
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Post by jem on Feb 9, 2015 17:48:06 GMT
Maybe in Canada Roger, but usually in the UK, its the wrong type of snow or something, so this is rather splendid, How do you count the number of trucks when is all you can see is snow snow snow for the first n number of trucks?
Jem
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Post by Roger on Feb 9, 2015 17:56:13 GMT
Maybe in Canada Roger, but usually in the UK, its the wrong type of snow or something, so this is rather splendid, How do you count the number of trucks when is all you can see is snow snow snow for the first n number of trucks? Jem Yes, if it was in the UK, but it isn't. That's not a UK type of locomotive as far as I'm aware and that doesn't sound like a UK level crossing either. There's a Salisbury in Maryland USA, and I bet that's where it is. I don't expect Salisbury in the UK has seen that much snow in living memory! If we had trains that were a mile long, I bet ours wouldn't stop either. |
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Post by alanstepney on Feb 9, 2015 18:15:48 GMT
I suspect it could be New Brunswick.
"our" Salisbury had plenty
of snow in the 1962-63 Winter.
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Post by bobpendleton on Feb 9, 2015 18:31:35 GMT
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Post by Roger on Feb 9, 2015 18:37:56 GMT
Now that would make sense, it's cold enough. I've never been to that side of Canada, only the Western side. That looks like a pleasant and sleepy place. |
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Post by pault on Feb 9, 2015 20:28:30 GMT
I think it is in Salisbury, New Brunswick, Canada as that is what is in the title of the clip lol trains up to 20,000+ tons are not uncommon in Canada
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2015 21:09:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 1:45:30 GMT
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Post by sncf141r on Feb 10, 2015 3:14:56 GMT
Canada. New Brunswick. (most likely, or Nova Scotia; both places, and Prince Edward Island got hit recently)
Fortunately, where I live we missed most of this snowfall.
Snow and cold has its benefits; we don't keep our workshops out in garden sheds, but in the house, where they belong!
:-) John.
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Post by greensands on Feb 10, 2015 10:25:07 GMT
Although it is not possible to see the number of locomotives at the head of the train I was surprised to see that there did not appear to be any power units coupled in the middle of the rake of tanker cars to relieve the load on the couplings which I thought was standard practice in Canada and the US.
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Post by Midland on Feb 10, 2015 10:52:14 GMT
Hi All
Been absent but enjoyed your chat about this. If you notice just after the finger cleans the lens a couple of tank dars go by with Procor on the side. That is who I worked for in Canada and in the UK when we got a UK division. Procor builds and leases tank and hopper cars mainly but we also had about 1,000 gondols cars too hauling coal in the rockies. Normally the fully laden car is about 130 tones all up. 100t lading and about 30t tare. I think the max is 263,000 lb on the rail. Union Tank, our parent in the US built some double bogie cars that looked whales but they never did catch on. The cars that caused the fuss years ago were the DOT112 type. When they were fitted with E type couplers and were in a wreck, the ends would get punctured and catch fire. Being full of LPG they becane rockets due to the blevey and one travelled a 1/4 of a mile. That caused the F type double shelf coupler to come in.
Anyway enough of that or you will get me going!!!! Except there is one part of the track in the Fraser Canyun in the rockies that has a nice firm foundation, three locos and about twelve of our cars full of coal. When they came off the really did come off! And BTW you only used to need middle train helpers on large inclines, New brunswick is pretty flat and two units would probably be enough.
Cheers David
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Post by bobpendleton on Feb 10, 2015 11:19:18 GMT
I think it is in Salisbury, New Brunswick, Canada as that is what is in the title of the clip lol trains up to 20,000+ tons are not uncommon in Canada Agreed. Google Earth/Maps shows the likely site: www.google.com/maps/@46.0324195,-65.0419908,218m/data=!3m1!1e3 No train! Or snow!! But the crossing lights are there if you check 'street view' - BP |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 12:38:18 GMT
30 Tons Tare !!-------- perhaps that's what I had in mind ??........To estimate the No. of locos on the front of our video I re-played it several times and you can hear the difference in "wheel-sound" between the 3-axle bogie of the EMD loco and the 2-axle bogie of the DOT112 (or 113) tankers as they pass by.....Using the rail sound I think there are 2 locos and then the tankers start to pass...Also, at only 4,000HP I think you'd need the 2 for power and for air braking capacity as well ??...........
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Post by sncf141r on Feb 10, 2015 13:39:07 GMT
The railways don't want to put helpers mid-train, as it costs them money to set them up, but, IIRC, the government set mandates on train length without helpers mid-train, so now both national railways must, when trains exceed a certain length. (this is for relatively flat Ontario/Quebec area; no mountains here)
One issue is that parts of the train can be doing something like 5-10mph different than other parts, so the forces set up can be quite interesting. When I was doing full-size steam it was interesting to talk to the assigned locomotive engineers; they do have a tough job.
Midland - I think it's DOT111 cars that they want to scrap, not DOT112. But, I could be wrong on that part.
John.
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Post by gwr7800 on Feb 10, 2015 15:31:00 GMT
My wife's is in Manhattan NY at the moment she just said they have snow but not as bad as Masaaschusetts they have just declared an emergency 68 inches of snow! The cars which are buried under the snow have to be moved or risk a fine!!! I give the Americans and Canadians credit they can normally cope it's the Brits that can't! Regards Chris
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