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Post by miken on Mar 20, 2016 19:38:16 GMT
Finally have it all back together after painting. Still have to do the numbers on the buffer beams and fit the cab floor. Should have dusted it first.The flash shows everything! Mike      |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2016 19:40:33 GMT
she's a beaut...painting is exemplary...very crisp lines....beautiful sir....  Pete |
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Post by Cro on Mar 20, 2016 19:59:40 GMT
Wonderful! Would love to see that go, Mike it says you are in Sussex, how far from Haywards Heath are you.....  |
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Post by Jim on Mar 20, 2016 21:55:59 GMT
I could just sit and admire your loco for hours Mike, it is a true masterpiece. Would you consider a thread on how you did the lining out? I' am sure there are many here who would appreciate it if you did.
Jim
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Post by jma1009 on Mar 20, 2016 23:09:08 GMT
Thank you so much Mike for posting pics of your wonderful example in 5"g of one of the most famous LBSCR locos! I could drool for ages over those excellent pics!  The above pic of Fenchurch accords to what I regard as the accepted Marsh livery, with outside the border lining a darker brown border. Bert Perryman's "Remembrance " in 5"g has the same livery. Is there a reason why you ommited the darker brown border? Cheers, Julian |
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Post by miken on Mar 21, 2016 9:52:26 GMT
Thank you all for your kind comments.
To answer the questions:
1. CRO, I live in Portslade and run my locos on the Brighton and Hove societies track in Hove park.
2. Jim, Regarding Lining out. I used the Bob More Lining pen and followed the instructions that came with it. However, all is not as it appears. I did the lining on the running board valance, the boiler bands, the chassiss frames and the cab steps with the pen using the little guide you run along the edge that came with it. For the bands around the Westinghouse pump I screwed the pump to a metal plate and clocked it up in the 4 jaw chuck of the lathe. I made a holder for the pen that fitted the tool post and applied the paint with the lathe turning very slowly. Gravity applied the weight and the DRO on the lathe got the even spacing.
For the boiler bands I knocked up a rectangular wooden frame and stretched the boiler bands out straight with thin wire like the stings of a harp.I then sprayed them and lined with the BM pen. I surprised myself at how well that went.
For the lining on the cab and water tanks, A friend had some templates laser cut for me from thin steel. One set for the inner thick line and another for the outer. I had planned to use these to line it by hand with the BM pen and a fine brush to fill in the wide lines. but it defeated me.
I dont have a steady enough hand or the patience.
I investigated printing transfers myself but couldnt make any progress with that.
In the end I went to a car graphic design place and they were able to cut vinyl decals for these items matched to the straw paint colour. They also did the name and numbers with the dark shading. I wasnt sure how it would look , but it has ended up better than I had hoped and I am very pleased with the result. A couple of coats of Phoenix satin varnish to seal them and its done.
3) Julian , First off , yes there is a good reason. Also, examination will reveal that Berts Remembrance livery is not the same as Fenchurch.
If you accept that Fenchurch is correct Marsh Livery then Berts model livery is incorrect as it does not have dark valances to the running boards or dark buffer stocks. Or is it Fenchurch that is incorrect?
The choice of livery took a long time. Fred Bailey of the Bluebell railway and Laurie Marshal who has a huge archive of photographs were a great help here (Fred, and Laurie are both members of my ME society as was Bert Perrymann). I also had some help from "The Brighton Circle" society.Who basically told me "Ask Laurie, he will know". Which is probably true.
Originally I was going to paint it in the livery you suggest and I even purchased the dark paint to do this. However, looking at the photgraphic evidence we could find no indication that J1 or J2 were ever painted with the dark borders.
Also, I believe that the full size "Remembrance" never actually appeared in that livery either, but spent most if its life in shop grey before being painted in Southern Green. 326 also spent the first few years of its life in grey.
There are other inconsitancies that I forget now.
Incidently, John Batup, who painted Berts loco is still a member of our club too.
MN
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Post by Jim on Mar 21, 2016 10:54:36 GMT
Thank you Mike for your very detailed description of how you did the lining. In the past I have used a draftsman's bow pen with some success but the crispness of your lining makes me think I should be looking at something more sophisticated such as your Bert More lining pen.
I have printed my own transfers with an inkjet printer onto white decal carrier but as you've noted there are problems.
Quite frankly your lining out is tops and I doubt it could be bettered professionally.
Thanks again
Jim
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Post by cplmickey on Mar 21, 2016 12:39:24 GMT
Not many photos make me go "Wow" but yours did.
What a fabulous looking loco.
Ian
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Post by miken on Mar 21, 2016 13:53:23 GMT
Anyone know why some of the pictures I posted above have disappeared? Are they likely to come back?
Mike
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Post by Cro on Mar 21, 2016 14:09:28 GMT
Can see them all Mike,
What are the chances of you having it a B&H over easter? I may have to pop down one day, aside from that maybe we should organise a visit to Beech Hurst if you fancy it as I'm sure a few of us would love to see that go.
Also great points on the lining, very interesting to hear how others have done it,
Regards,
Adam
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Post by digger on Mar 21, 2016 14:18:11 GMT
Awesome that is one beautiful locomotive, absoutely superbe!
Digger
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Post by miken on Mar 21, 2016 16:33:45 GMT
Can see them all Mike, What are the chances of you having it a B&H over easter? I may have to pop down one day, aside from that maybe we should organise a visit to Beech Hurst if you fancy it as I'm sure a few of us would love to see that go. Also great points on the lining, very interesting to hear how others have done it, Regards, Adam For some reason the pics dont show on the PC at work. But show when im at home (now). Adam, Unfortunately Its not going to run for a while yet due to family commitments. But it did go very well when I ran it last summer before painting. Mike Wheelwright who designed the valve gear for me really knows his stuff. Which is why I asked him to help with the Joy gear on the Webb compound I am building. |
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Post by jma1009 on Mar 21, 2016 21:18:07 GMT
Hi Mike,
Many thanks for the explanation re livery. I dont know Laurie Marshall, but Fred Bailey is an old friend, and what Fred says is good enough for me! Fred has helped me out on my Stepney project on a number of occasions.
I am well aware of the errors you quote re Bert Perryman's LBSCR 'Remembrance' 5"g Baltic tank.
Being a bit of a Brighton fan I can appreciate all the details and attention to prototype on your lovely loco, which cannot have been an easy loco to build at all.
There are not many 5"g Brighton locos from this period. Perhaps Bob Youldon would like to comment as I think he had a hand in a few other 5"g Brighton locos painted in Marsh Umber.
Cheers,
Julian
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Post by miken on Sept 26, 2016 10:22:40 GMT
Long awaited day last Saturday. I finally steamed Bessborough for the first time after finishing it and was immediately pressed into passenger hauling. One safety valve was fizzing all the time and one (Reeves) injector was playing up but I ran it continuously for a couple of hours and covered a few miles without embarrassing myself. New Pavier injectors now on order.
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