The 'Help with speedy' thread Has it run its course?

[silverfox]

Being a bit of a devils advocate here. There are 328 pages and not all are about speedy. Its 'the other issues' sub titile that hide a lot ofo good stuff the average chap on here would miss.

There could well be a great tip on how to make up spring buckles, but i am buggered if i will trawl through 328 pages to find it.


However if there was a new thread that said.'Spring buckles..how to get them right would have me on it like a shot

I would rather see thread after thread of specific problems/hints than this to continue.. UNLESS someone will go through the whole thing and does an index thread header And i am NOT offering

eg Spring buckles... see p227 speedy thread
hose connectors see p108 speedy thread

Any thoughts

[vulcanbomber]

I think the thread should continue, it's nice to Watch Roger progress in that thread. Same as any other build thread really. However, if someone wants to make a forum index of how to's ect then I'm all for it. However, I am not going to ever volunteer to do that!

[Deleted]

Hi Ron

I did start to do this for my own thread...took some time going through it all and writing down what's on each page, I got about half way and gave up....perhaps I'll try again one day, it's a soulless task, though.....

Pete

[Jim]

I can see where Silverfox is coming from but as Pete says, it's a bit of a souless job making an index especially when in my case I can't even find the page where I did the three part valve sleeves I was looking for on my own thread.
In short I don't know what the solution is, maybe it's to make a note of the thread and page of the good ideas you run across when checking the 'What's New and Participated' box at the top of this site.

Jim

[manofkent]

This is one of the most interesting and practical threads on the forum as far as I am concerned. I do hope Roger will continue with it. I am learning a lot.
John

[jma1009]

I have suggested to Roger he breaks up the excellent Speedy thread especially the boiler.

But it is difficult to do.

We type after an evenings work in the workshop. Roger's build, like Pete's Doncaster , and Jim's Brit et al, is a journal. It is the diary of a model engineer in his workshop making bits for their loco.

This is an important facet of such contributions to this forum. It is not organised or set into sections. It is what happens day by day ie a diary of construction.

Anyone with the time and patience can go back through such threads and save relevant sections. I know some have done this with my Stepney boiler on the Boxhill thread.

To expect the poster to contribute so generously as Pete, Roger and Jim and others have done then split up the construction into seperate threads is perhaps asking far too much!

Cheers,
Julian

[Roger]

The format of a Forum doesn't really lend itself very well to the continuity of a build unless you keep it all in one monolithic lump. As soon as you start a new thread on a specific topic, it becomes disconnected from the greater whole. More than that, threads that aren't viewed or updated quickly fall off the bottom of the page, so you might not even know they exist.
The search facility is pretty good now, so there's no need to trawl through all those hundreds of pages. Most of the parts have been described with their respective names, so searching for any one of them is going to throw up the appropriate page.
It's not ideal, but I don't think there's a better way of documenting a build using the limited tools that a Forum gives you.

[springcrocus]

Jan 28, 2017 19:16:35 GMT silverfox said:

Being a bit of a devils advocate here. There are 328 pages and not all are about speedy. Its 'the other issues' sub titile that hide a lot ofo good stuff the average chap on here would miss.

There could well be a great tip on how to make up spring buckles, but i am buggered if i will trawl through 328 pages to find it.


However if there was a new thread that said.'Spring buckles..how to get them right would have me on it like a shot

I would rather see thread after thread of specific problems/hints than this to continue.. UNLESS someone will go through the whole thing and does an index thread header And i am NOT offering

eg Spring buckles... see p227 speedy thread
hose connectors see p108 speedy thread

Any thoughts

I think this all depends on how you wish to view a forum. For me, it's a bit like watching a soap opera, I come to see what everyone is getting up to today. If I particularly wanted a construction series to tell me how to do it, I would buy a book. Interacting on the forum is a bit like chatting over the garden wall with the neighbour, a way to pass the time of day.

I'm not trying to be offensive but I have just been back through your history for the last couple of years and it appears that you have yet to click the "like" button for any of the posts you have read. If you care that little about what has been written, I wonder why you have even bothered to raise this topic?

I wholeheartedly wish Roger to continue with his epic journal, for that is what it is, of his "Speedy" build and thoroughly enjoy reading it, learning as I go. I also appreciate just how much effort goes into getting each post written up, checked, photos edited and inserted correctly etc. to ensure it all flows seamlessly along.

This is not aimed at Silverfox but really directed at all the quiet ones. Rather than pour cold water on peoples efforts, how about joiniing in by creating your own thread telling the rest of us what you get up to in your own workshop. Even if you have only hacksawed and filed a piece of mild steel to size, it's a greater achievement than just sitting in the armchair doing nothing, and worth sharing with someone. And if you are unable to leave the armchair for health reasons, well, share your past experiences instead.

More importantly, let other people know that you appreciate the time and effort they take to provide for your entertainment - click the like button to let them know that someone is actually bothering to read their contributions.

Right, that's my rant over for the time being, I will withdraw back into hibernation mode until Easter

Regards to all, Steve

P.S. to Roger - don't waste valuable time creating an index to your thread, it's easy enough to find something if one wants to. More important that you finish this boiler before I start my own.

[Donald G]

I agree with others, Roger, please continue as you have done so far. It is extremely interesting to see your work and also see how you get round problems as they arise.
Keep up the great work

[jon38r80]

Jan 29, 2017 8:27:43 GMT Donald G said:

I agree with others, Roger, please continue as you have done so far. It is extremely interesting to see your work and also see how you get round problems as they arise.
Keep up the great work

+1 if it's broken up you lose the story and the context. Anyway what is the search function for? If you want to look for something in particular it's soon found.

[Deleted]

I can see where Silverfox is coming from, Rogers thread is now quite a monster but long may it continue. Seeing how Roger has got round making awkward parts is quite inspirational. It does however sometimes wander off on a tangent which can be annoying but quickly gets dragged back to topic when Roger makes something. If I need to find something on a specific topic I use the "search" function at the top of the page and it is usually quite a quick search through to find what I am looking for (usually somewhere in the previously mentioned thread). Keep up the good work Roger you are one of the most inspiring posters on this forum.

Paul

[silverfox]

Roger

What i was getting at, and failing miserably, was that the thread, whilst excellent, opens i up to what i would call 'non speedy 'issues. Even on page 6 there is difference of opinion on vernier gauges, which giving its own heading made up a good thread on the pros and cons. I am still learning since Pontias was a co-pilate ( sound joke there).and it sometimes deviates qute quickly away from the Speedy thread it should be.

Perhaps i should have said, if people want to make comments in threads about items not specifically to do with the build of the loco in question, could they start a new thread with a pointer to the reason why..hope that makes sense rather than a possible gem of info be lost deep within another one?

sort of

heading Vernier gauges


then the opening line would be In rogers speedy thread on page 6 it was said that .......etc etc etc


I apologise for not being so clear on this and at the moment eating a crow and umble pie, flagellating myself with some bowden cable, and forcibly forbidding myself to stay away from the shed for at least 10 minutes, I am not THAT much of a martyr

Ron

[Roger]

Hi Ron,
It's a fair point, but personally I don't think the side issues deviate for too long from the general theme to break up the flow too much. I did start a thread about CNC which was spawned off the main thread because it wouldn't interest than many people. You'll see that this thread vanished without trace as a result.

I suppose it's all a matter of taste really. I tend to be more of the view that Steve (Springcrocus) holds, in that it's a build diary as much as anything else.

[silverfox]

Roger

I am getting old and picky. something i promised myself i wold never do ( get picky that is) Getting old, i can live with

Ron

[ilvaporista]

Part of the fun if the Speedy thread is the diversions that come up. It's the same when you talk in real life, you can start in one area but learn about so many others on the way. The search button is there for a reason and it does not take long to home in on what you need. Creating an index would take a lot longer.

[Oily Rag]

Jan 28, 2017 23:30:00 GMT Roger said:

The format of a Forum doesn't really lend itself very well to the continuity of a build unless you keep it all in one monolithic lump. As soon as you start a new thread on a specific topic, it becomes disconnected from the greater whole. More than that, threads that aren't viewed or updated quickly fall off the bottom of the page, so you might not even know they exist.
The search facility is pretty good now, so there's no need to trawl through all those hundreds of pages. Most of the parts have been described with their respective names, so searching for any one of them is going to throw up the appropriate page.
It's not ideal, but I don't think there's a better way of documenting a build using the limited tools that a Forum gives you.

Hear hear
and I have Rogers Flickr pages bookmarked
Carry on Rodger
it is a
Proper Job.

[Ben]

I thoroughly enjoy Rogers Speedy thread whichever way you look at it, it's nice to see the chain of thought as to what to do next and the feedback/ideas/problems encountered as they appear. I'll agree it is a trawl to find something specific but if you want to know something specific then you can search the forum using key words and that will give you a list of occurrences.
I went a different way with the V2 and moved it over to its own Facebook page (as Pete does with 4472 in addition to here) it won't give you a timeline as such to see what I did in what order but I have made different photo albums for different jobs which get added to individually depending on what I do next.
Neither is the better or correct way of doing things IMO and both have pros and cons.

Keep it up Roger!

Cheers
Ben

[Roger]

Hi Ben,
Thanks for the positive comments and alternative ideas about how to document a build. I kind of fell into it, I just had a few questions, and that was going to be the end of the thread.
I have started a Building LBSC's SPEEDY wiki here but decided not to continue it because I'd deviated so far from the plans. The framework is there though if someone wants to add their own bits and pieces. That's the power of that particular medium, but it's not documenting a single build.
The problem with a Forum is that it's like any other web site, it could just cease operating at some point. If there was a way to back it up, I'd do it because writing a book would be a lot harder without it as a reference.

[Midland]

One can go onto the Speedy thread and use search. I tried 'spring' and got 5 pages and then 'buckle' and got one entry. It does narrow the field a bit of course.
D

[Roger]

Jan 31, 2017 11:27:40 GMT Midland said:

One can go onto the Speedy thread and use search. I tried 'spring' and got 5 pages and then 'buckle' and got one entry. It does narrow the field a bit of course.
D

Agreed, and now the search actually highlights the search terms on those pages instead of just finding the page, it's much more useful.