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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 7:23:53 GMT
My appologies Nobby, it has been pointed out to me (thanks Phil) that the French were indeed first to cover a wooden hull with iron. My mistake, I had missed the bit about wooden hull and cladding, HMS Warrior being the first all metal hull making her the most powerful warship afloat. The Royal Navy led the way again in 1906 with HMS Dreadnought. My mistake..... Cheers Pete
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Post by JonL on Jun 18, 2019 14:16:40 GMT
Fair enough; I keep meaning to have a look at some of Portsmouth's historic dockyard, never get around to it.
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Post by Jim Scott on Jun 18, 2019 15:36:00 GMT
Nobby just brought up the question of whether an outer covering is cladding or cleading in Q's thread and Don also replied. I vaguely recall a discussion on this matter a few years ago and think we came to the conclusion that the insulation layer over the boiler was the cladding and the outer skin was the cleading. Anyone want to throw more light on this matter? Steve Hi Steve Sorry to come late to your thread but what you suggest is also my understanding. I'm basing this on the fact that my Dad was a sheet metal worker in the 1950's and as a youngster I clearly remember him describing how he laid out the the segmented 'snail shell' covers for the low pressure steam pipes on steam turbines. These were 'blue steel' finish and he always referred to them as the cleading ie the covering retaining the cladding. In later years I worked at the same company (C A Parsons) and the sheet metal worker's shop was always referred to as 'the Cleaders'. Jim S
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Post by simplyloco on Jun 18, 2019 16:31:19 GMT
Necrophilia, which we all know is dead boring, is possibly more interesting than this subject matter...
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Post by springcrocus on Jun 18, 2019 16:42:29 GMT
Necrophilia, which we all know is dead boring, is possibly more interesting than this subject matter... You may well be correct, John, but it's a good example of what I've been banging on about for some time (no pun intended). Imagine all this in Q's "Stirling Single" thread and his build would be swamped with triviality, hence why I kicked it off. Regards, Steve
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Post by ettingtonliam on Jun 18, 2019 19:31:01 GMT
What makes it worse is that we had this discussion a while ago (couple of years) plus running board/footboard, and now we are rerunning it. I just can't find where it was located last time, then we could all read it and save a lot of space.
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Post by springcrocus on Jun 18, 2019 21:55:56 GMT
What makes it worse is that we had this discussion a while ago (couple of years) plus running board/footboard, and now we are rerunning it. I just can't find where it was located last time, then we could all read it and save a lot of space. I would suggest that if we all stop discussing things just because it's been talked about before, then we might as well shut the forum and rely on using the search engine. How boring. I would prefer to hear the same thing twice rather than never at all. Steve
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Post by ettingtonliam on Jun 18, 2019 23:46:25 GMT
I thought it was yourself referred to this as 'triviality' a few hours ago?
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Post by springcrocus on Jun 19, 2019 6:39:02 GMT
Regards, Steve
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Post by JonL on Jun 19, 2019 13:44:12 GMT
Gents, there are a few threads on here that I'm not very interested in. In the same way I don't plough though every book in the library, I only pick the threads which interest me to read...
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Post by weary on Jun 19, 2019 17:58:52 GMT
Hokey-dokey.... For those who want to read past comments on the great cleading/cladding debate.... have a browse of this thread from 2016. Perhaps. Julian's (jma1009)posting on Apr 28, 2016 at 10:52pm seems clear. And, of course, the chat on the topic can continue here anyway irrespective of whether one has read the previous discussion or not! The topic bubbled up again in various other threads. Here is a posting from Steve (springcrocus) in the 'Webb Compound Dreadnought' thread, Jun 24, 2016 at 11:24pm that summarises the debate in one line: "You really appear to have a head of steam at the moment, moving along faster than we can read. "Cladding / cleading: I thought we'd agreed that if it insulates, it's cladding and if it decorates (as in external covering) it's cleading. "Lovely job, Mike. And what I like most? Your workmanship is not hidden beneath a coat of paint. Steve" Regards, Phil
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Post by andyhigham on Jun 19, 2019 18:49:44 GMT
From en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cleadingIt seems the clothing reference is correct Etymology From Scots cleding, cleiding, from earlier cleething, claithing, cleithing (“clothing”), from Middle English clething (“clothing”). See cloth, clothing. Noun cleading (plural cleadings) A jacket or outer covering to prevent radiation of heat, as from the boiler, cylinder, etc. of a steam engine. The planking or boarding of a shaft, cofferdam, etc.
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Post by ettingtonliam on Jun 19, 2019 19:56:45 GMT
Just to set another hare running, we always called the boarding to a shaft or cofferdam 'lagging'
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