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Post by steamer5 on Aug 28, 2019 21:15:40 GMT
Hi Q, Oh that is sooo nice! You have got to be more than happy on what you have built......I know I would! Now we just have to hang out for the “in steam” run.
Cheers Kerrin
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Post by jma1009 on Aug 28, 2019 22:18:14 GMT
You have done a very fine job on the paintwork and ought to be very proud of the paint finish and lining out etc.
The chimney and safety valve cover you might in due course consider revisiting and remaking, but that does not particularly detract from a wonderful paint job, and is of little consequence to us 'rivet counters' who are so despised. I am pretty sure I have the F C Hambleton drawings for same in ME, plus you can look at the loco in the NRM, and consider where you might have gone wrong with the safety valve cover and chimney. You are rather in some respects constrained by what the trade supplies as a safety valve cover in gunmetal rather than brass, though a billet of brass would probably have been cheaper than the gunmetal casting. The chimney has far too much taper on it and far too thick a base where it joins the smokebox.
The buffer heads should have holes in them.
The front cylinder covers in gunmetal could easily be replaced with stainless to get the 'look' right.
Cheers, Julian
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Post by simplyloco on Aug 28, 2019 22:24:40 GMT
You have done a very fine job on the paintwork and ought to be very proud of the paint finish and lining out etc. The chimney and safety valve cover you might in due course consider revisiting and remaking, but that does not particularly detract from a wonderful paint job, and is of little consequence to us 'rivet counters' who are so despised. I am pretty sure I have the F C Hambleton drawings for same in ME, plus you can look at the loco in the NRM, and consider where you might have gone wrong with the safety valve cover and chimney. You are rather in some respects constrained by what the trade supplies as a safety valve cover in gunmetal rather than brass, though a billet of brass would probably have been cheaper than the gunmetal casting. The chimney has far too much taper on it and far too thick a base where it joins the smokebox. The buffer heads should have holes in them. The front cylinder covers in gunmetal could easily be replaced with stainless to get the 'look' right. Cheers, Julian A wonderful project damned with faint praise, again! Why do we bother to post our modest efforts just to be denigrated by the despised? I am starting to despair and I am thinking about not bothering for fear of eternal damnation! John
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Post by silverfox on Aug 28, 2019 22:37:22 GMT
What a litle darling
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Post by springcrocus on Aug 29, 2019 6:11:54 GMT
You have done a very fine job on the paintwork and ought to be very proud of the paint finish and lining out etc. The chimney and safety valve cover you might in due course consider revisiting and remaking, but that does not particularly detract from a wonderful paint job, and is of little consequence to us 'rivet counters' who are so despised. I am pretty sure I have the F C Hambleton drawings for same in ME, plus you can look at the loco in the NRM, and consider where you might have gone wrong with the safety valve cover and chimney. You are rather in some respects constrained by what the trade supplies as a safety valve cover in gunmetal rather than brass, though a billet of brass would probably have been cheaper than the gunmetal casting. The chimney has far too much taper on it and far too thick a base where it joins the smokebox. The buffer heads should have holes in them. The front cylinder covers in gunmetal could easily be replaced with stainless to get the 'look' right. Cheers, Julian A wonderful project damned with faint praise, again! Why do we bother to post our modest efforts just to be denigrated by the despised? I am starting to despair and I am thinking about not bothering for fear of eternal damnation! John I agree completely with John about this, but we get condemned by others if we try to raise our voice against those who criticise. Wouldn't it be nice to have a "thumbs down" as well as a "thumbs up" button. Wonderful work, Q, and far more than our sour-minded colleague has shown in recent years. Regards, Steve
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Post by gwr14xx on Aug 29, 2019 6:55:55 GMT
Come on! , fellas! Let's stop the bickering - this is supposed to be an enjoyable hobby! As model engineers, non of us are perfect - we are just on different rungs of the ladder! We also have different goals in life - some strive for absolute perfection in their models - others like me, are content to run a couple of bits of 'Winson Crap' that they have tweaked to obtain reliable running and performance, and thus give pleasure to others who wish to travel behind us on public running days. Let's remember, the end goal is the pleasure we get from our hobby (which ever hobby that might be!!).
Eddie.
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Post by Midland on Aug 29, 2019 8:24:39 GMT
BRAVO, Eddie!
Julian, I do not know what has got into you, you were very helpful when I re did the PoW valve gear but now your biting sarcasm and unnecessary bitching has put me off, for one, putting anything other than the most inane comments in this forum. Go back to the useful Julian of old and park the grouchy old fart down a disused mine!!!!! Cheers David
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Post by Jono on Aug 29, 2019 11:13:29 GMT
What an awesome engine, so majestic and well built too. I hope your enjoyment in running it is as great as your satisfaction in having built it. Im curious what their load pulling ability would be. A large diameter wheel should have more surface contact than a small wheel, but there is only one.
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Post by qreidford on Aug 30, 2019 0:38:07 GMT
Julian,
You are quite correct regarding the chimney, the flare to meet the smokebox is too chunky, to be honest I chickened out taking more material away and the problems with fixing 9ba bolts through the somokebox cladding and into the base at an angle drove me nuts so I ended up with this. The safety valve cover... well it’s better that it was and again I was very afraid of completely messing up the casting but either the original was the wrong profile or I had simply skimmed them too much off the waist. I’m not happy but I am prepared to accept it - for now. Similarly the cranked regulator looks crap and is the wrong size - fixing it will not be easy but I want to correct it. I’m intrigued that you are so complimentary about the paint, I am fairly disgusted by my efforts, the lining is poor and very scratchy and I would have loved to be able to spend a lot of money to have it done professionally - not going to happen - this is the best I can achieve - sod it! Having said all this I will say that it goes, and goes well, slipping not an issue and it flies (I would quite like to just chuff around but it really just wants to go) I got a print of this engine from somewhere in the sixties (don’t know where that went) and just loved the aesthetics now I have one. In passing, I deliberately did not add rivet heads all down the running boards as I didn’t like them and believe that Patrick wouldn’t have either, the poor cleaners in their steel tacket boots wouldn’t have either. I flushed them as I think that would have been done originally , similarly on the tender, it would have been more expensive to have flush rivets but I like to think that Patrick would have gone that route until the bean counters told him to change. Rivets are not mentioned in anything I have read about this locomotive - so I’m up for documentary proof that I’m wrong 😈 Cheers Q
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Post by ettingtonliam on Aug 30, 2019 10:02:48 GMT
With a locomotive which was built nearly a century and a half ago, and scrapped about a century ago , I do what I think was most likely when it was built, having examined all the available drawings and photos and if anyone else disagrees, let them produce the evidence! Even the only remaining Stirling Single, No1 in NRM is acknowledged (Brian Reed, Locomotives in Profile, Vol 1) not to be in the condition it was in when in GNR revenue earning service, and to have a different tender, so who knows?
I have a friend who is deeply into scale aircraft models (large flying ones) and he says that in the model aircraft world these arguments are so intense that he now only models aircraft for which he has a set of drawings and copious photographs, and if he can't find these, he moves on, and models something for which he can find the information.
I think Cherry Hinds was very astute with her later models which were of extremely obscure prototypes, several of which may never have been built at all. Totally proof against any suggestion of 'thats wrong'!
I'm on safe(ish) ground with Locomotion, built 1825, 4 boiler failures, out of service 1841, converted to a pumping engine, sort of 'restored' before being put on a plinth in the open air about 1860, and rebuilt several times since. No contemporary drawings or illustrations, no photos till into the 1860s, and then only long shot ones. Anyone want to tell me I've got the rivetting wrong?
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Post by JonL on Aug 30, 2019 10:29:28 GMT
Utterly lovely. You must be very proud.
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Post by qreidford on Aug 30, 2019 18:46:25 GMT
A truly regal loco executed beautifully. If I may offer one observation. Your eye is automatically drawn to the injector. Is there any reason it's painted red. If not a touch of black paint would make it much less noticeable. This is by no means a criticism, as I said just an observation on a fine locomotive. Mike Is this better Mike? 😀 Cheers Q
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Post by JonL on Aug 30, 2019 20:29:00 GMT
Perfect.
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Post by jma1009 on Aug 30, 2019 20:42:35 GMT
Strange! I comment praising the paint work and lining out, but mention the chimney shape and safety valve cover, which Quiedford sort of confirms in his post today... and 2 usual suspects hurl criticism at me to dare mention such matters.
Mike (barlowworks) comments on the injector paint colour, but gets no adverse comment from the 2 usual suspects at all.
For the record, I have often in the past remade safety valve covers and chimneys realising I haven't got things quite right first time round, also turrets and firehole doors, and much else besides. Also changing whistles, and tweaking smokebox draughting.
Cheers, Julian
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Post by qreidford on Aug 31, 2019 0:10:12 GMT
Julian, Lick of black paint - no problem. Chimney and valve covers, more problematic and expensive. Given that there was no fountain on the back head plus a host of other details not on published drawings, or possibly on photos what else can I do? This is my first ever miniature working steam locomotive and I love it. Hopefully my next will be better Cheers Q
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Post by ettingtonliam on Aug 31, 2019 1:07:38 GMT
So what is next?
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Post by Jono on Aug 31, 2019 2:25:40 GMT
The trouble with communicating on digital media rather than face to face. Is that there is no body language, no facial expressions and no tone of voice. There is also no instant feedback to indicate if what was said was taken the wrong way or unwanted. Things that were intended to be helpful suggestions can be taken as jealous put-downs and all sorts of silly things like that. Its just a hard way to communicate well
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Post by uuu on Aug 31, 2019 6:49:17 GMT
In this case, adding body language, facial expression and tone of voice would make no difference. Years ago, when Julian and I were on the committee at Isle of Wight MES, the old farts would be tearing their hair out, with this young upstart telling them how it ought to be done. Their biggest problem though, was that the old farts were fighting to do things sloppily, and Julian was for doing a proper job - and they knew it. So when Julian dug in and got things done his way, the old farts would have to agree, the results were jolly good.
Wilf
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Post by qreidford on Aug 31, 2019 6:57:12 GMT
Good question, stationary engine perhaps. Nice slow beam engine... Cheers Q
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Post by jma1009 on Aug 31, 2019 22:19:37 GMT
Years ago, when Julian and I were on the committee at Isle of Wight MES, the old farts would be tearing their hair out, with this young upstart telling them how it ought to be done. Their biggest problem though, was that the old farts were fighting to do things sloppily, and Julian was for doing a proper job - and they knew it. So when Julian dug in and got things done his way, the old farts would have to agree, the results were jolly good. Wilf Thank you for that, Wilf. The period of my tenure as club secretary of the IWMES in the 1990s was full of battles, but we achieved a lot, and surprise surprise I upset many in the process. (Never got a Life Membership or made a Vice President). My black and white approach with little tact or diplomacy goes down as well on this thread as it did in the 1990s in the IWMES! But we got a jolly good new raised track at Broadfields, and raised the money for it, and club Treasurer Norman Godfrey always backed me up. Apologies for the thread drift. Cheers, Julian
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