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Post by starspider on Apr 22, 2008 14:32:07 GMT
Hi All have decided on a 14xx for my next project in 71/4G and thought an autocoach would make a great driving truck. Trouble is cant find any drawings so if anybody can point me in the direction of some or have a drawing they want to part company with let us know please. thanks colin
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Post by GWRdriver on Apr 23, 2008 14:02:46 GMT
Colin, I know it may seem odd that a Yank has advice to give in this area but I don't see any other responses. First and most obvious there will be the information available in one of the books on GWR carriage stock, the one I have is "Great Western Coaches - Part ll (1903-1948)" by J. H. Russell (ISBN 090288803X) and the Appendix - Vol.1 for same. The Russell books typically show a bewildering collection of either GWR works erections drawings (mostly Swindon but not always) or another variation of a measured prototype drawing, as often as not more detailed than the works drawings. Unfortunately I am without scanner at the moment or I would scan and forward a drawing.
Another good option is plans and drawings from producers of models which often include a scaled protoytpe drawing. Possibly the most useful of these plans which comes to mind would be from Kit #G165 - GWR Autocoach, made in 10mm scale (Ga1) by Tenmille Products, Stowmarket. If you will contact me off-board I will inquire in my Ga1 circles to see if anyone has a set of Autocoach plans they are willing to share.
Update: I have been told by a friend in Ga1 that the Tenmille Autocoach kit instructions do not contain a scaled drawing, only details sketches of how the bits fit together. That's just just bad luck as I have a GWR Toad kit from the same company which contains a superb scaled drawing.
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Post by starspider on Apr 28, 2008 13:35:53 GMT
Sorry for the delay in answering been away for a few days. Many thanks for the info. regards colin
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Post by GWRdriver on Apr 28, 2008 15:14:04 GMT
Colin, Advice on resources continues to trickle in from my contacts, the latest is that the definitive work on GWR trailered units is "Great Western Autotrailers - Part ll" (1995) by John Lewis, Wild Swan Publications Ltd. ISBN 874103 35 9. Part ll covers units built fom post-grouping through to BR days.
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Post by steam4ian on Apr 28, 2008 21:44:38 GMT
G'day Colin. An auto coach sounds a great idea, even more so if you could drive from it with the engine propelling. You could make it two man, as of old, you facing the front with your mate facing the back and firing the engine. Don't forget the bell signals, With the engine in the middle, as sometimes happened, the passengers on the trailing car could get all the smuts, a complete rail experience Regards, Ian
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Post by dscott on Apr 28, 2008 22:04:53 GMT
I have both Coach books mentioned by GWDriver and can do a photo copy of anyone that you fancy. Yes they do have some very detailed drawings. I do like the one of the diesel railcar in book two, and its direct drive via a gearbox, makes a change from having to generate electricity pass it down cables to an electric motor or two and loose quite a lot of energy in the process, every night we seem to struggle up Hemerdon bank in even the modern versions.
David.
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Post by doubletop on Jun 27, 2018 9:09:29 GMT
I'm ressurecting this post for the same reason Colin opened it over 10 years ago. I'm building an autocoach to run with my 7.25" Dart. I only have the basic diagrams from the Didot website. I've just tried to purchase a copy of Great Western Coaches - Part ll (1903-1948)" by J. H. Russell and the Appendix - Vol.1 from Amazon but for some reason they won't ship to NZ.
I'm not particular which version Autocoach other than its needs to be one of the 57ft versions prefeable then I will be able to fit it in my van. I'm more interested in the dimensions of external details such as buffers and windows, doors, roof etc
Could anybody assist with any copies of drawings please?
Pete
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Post by 44767 on Jun 27, 2018 9:50:01 GMT
I'm ressurecting this post for the same reason Colin opened it over 10 years ago. I'm building an autocoach to run with my 7.25" Dart. I only have the basic diagrams from the Didot website. I've just tried to purchase a copy of Great Western Coaches - Part ll (1903-1948)" by J. H. Russell and the Appendix - Vol.1 from Amazon but for some reason they won't ship to NZ. Pete, Try setting up a YouShop account. They can then ship to the address in (presumably) the US and NZ Post will forward it to you from there. Cheers, Mike
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Post by Cro on Jun 27, 2018 9:52:40 GMT
I have pinged a message over to a source of drawings I use, he might be able to help.
Adam
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Post by doubletop on Jun 27, 2018 10:50:24 GMT
Try setting up a YouShop account. They can then ship to the address in (presumably) the US and NZ Post will forward it to you from there. Cheers, Mike Mike I have one of the NZPost accounts, but this was Amazon UK Adam Thanks for your help. I've now sourced a copy of Appendix 1 from the UK but that will take a while to arrive. What I could really do with now is details of the buffers. I have made the components for the frame but before I weld it up I want to drill all the holes for the couplings, buffers, vacuum pipes etc. I can do everything but the buffers as I don't have dimensions of the mounting plates. So any help with the buffer details would be appreciated. The book should arrive long before I need it for the bodywork. Pete
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Post by Cro on Jun 27, 2018 10:56:19 GMT
You can buy buffer stocks and buffer castings from Little Western. Tom who runs it is a great guy and very helpful might be worth a chat as they sell an Autocoach so could help in places.
Adam
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Post by 44767 on Jun 27, 2018 11:50:12 GMT
Try setting up a YouShop account. They can then ship to the address in (presumably) the US and NZ Post will forward it to you from there. Cheers, Mike Mike I have one of the NZPost accounts, but this was Amazon UK Adam Thanks for your help. You can set up YouShop for the UK, too. Mike
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Post by doubletop on Jun 27, 2018 20:48:49 GMT
You can buy buffer stocks and buffer castings from Little Western. Tom who runs it is a great guy and very helpful might be worth a chat as they sell an Autocoach so could help in places. Adam Adam Thanks for the heads up. I had no idea they existed but they look like a very capable bunch. I had previoulsly found their autocoach buffer offering but for some reason thought they were for the smaller guages as there are limited details of the product. I do think they are missing a trick though, their website is full of broken links, empty pages and very little on pricing. I'm now waiting for Tom to get back to me. Pete
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Post by Cro on Jun 27, 2018 21:20:35 GMT
Yeah the website has some issues but i'll give Tom a nudge to make sure he helps you out, they do some nice work though.
Adam
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Post by jma1009 on Jun 27, 2018 21:31:26 GMT
Hi Pete,
It should not be too difficult to obtain the relevant drawings for the auto coach (unfortunately I can't help).
Lots of 7.25"g 14XX builders have built a GWR 'Toad' brake van to go behind and sit upon, and I have copies of the Swindon drawings if you go down this route.
Cheers,
Julian
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Post by doubletop on Jun 28, 2018 8:21:05 GMT
Hi Pete, It should not be too difficult to obtain the relevant drawings for the auto coach (unfortunately I can't help). Lots of 7.25"g 14XX builders have built a GWR 'Toad' brake van to go behind and sit upon, and I have copies of the Swindon drawings if you go down this route. Cheers, Julian Julian Thanks but the Toad is done. I used the Keith Wilson article from 1996 as a guide, plus a bit of artistic licence on my part. I'm aiming for something that is representative of the real thing that doesn’t necessarily have to be 100% accurate. I'm not happy with hauling around ‘fairground ride’ wagons. A bit off topic but another thing we weren't happy about was the state of the steaming bays that had been like it for a few years, so a group of us fixed them Before After Pete
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Post by doubletop on Jul 17, 2018 9:47:19 GMT
My copy of Appendix - Vol.1 for Great Western Coaches - Part ll (1903-1948)" by J. H. Russell arrived today. It's the wrong book I'm afraid, not an Autocoach in it. If it had been the correct book I doubt that it would have been much help as apart from the photos of coaches the only diagrams were the outline drawings of the coaches and I aready have them from the Didcot site. I've had a look for a copy of Great Western Autotrailers - Part ll" (1995) by John Lewis, Wild Swan Publications, but they seem to be like hens teeth.
What I am looking for is anything on Trailer Carriage, Swindon 1928 Lot 1394 No's 159 to 170. The only reason I'm going for this is that I have the outline diagram A27 from the Didcot site and it will scale to around 2.2meters which will fit into my van. The 70ft variants would be too long.
If you could help please PM me
Thanks
BTW buffers and stocks organised with Tom at Little Western. One of my concerns had been the angle of the frame we had both arrived at. We were within 0.5deg of each other.
Pete
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Post by doubletop on Jul 19, 2018 4:56:16 GMT
Hens teeth or not, after a bit of searching a copy of "Great Western Autotrailers - Part ll by John Lewis" has been found in Oz and is on its way to me Pete
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Post by doubletop on Jul 28, 2018 8:27:24 GMT
Tom from Little Western sent me copies of the A27 information contained in the J H Russell books and my copy of Great Western Autotrailers - Part ll" (1995) by John Lewis, turned up the other day. It has more than enough detail in it. It looks like John Lewis documented just about anything he could lay his hands on regarding Auto trailers. Not least of which is a drawing of the A28 frames. The A28 coaches apparently were just an extended version of the A27 coaches. It turns out it was a good job I hadn’t welded up my frames as I had made it to wide. A simple job to modify the sections to reduce the width by 0.75”. I have been waiting for the buffer castings to arrive from Tom at Little Western so I could drill the angled section before welding the frame. They arrived today and I’m pretty pleased with them. In the meantime, I’ve been making bogies. But I’m not going to post anything here as they aren’t prototypical having chosen to make them to a standard local design to assist approval for passenger running. You wouldn’t be able to see much of them anyway once hidden behind footboards. Pete
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Post by Cro on Jul 28, 2018 9:23:08 GMT
They look great Pete, glad Tom was able to sort you out.
Adam
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