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Post by miken on Dec 14, 2013 16:22:53 GMT
 Just learnt how to post a picture. So here is a photo of my 5" gauge Brighton tank engine. Outside Walschaerts valve gear with inside piston valves. About 90% done now Its all a bit of a lump. Mike |
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Post by miken on Dec 14, 2013 16:26:16 GMT
Its easy once you get the hang of it .Heres another one.  |
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Post by miken on Dec 14, 2013 16:29:50 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2013 16:31:33 GMT
That's a beautiful looking loco that you have built there miken..... hope we will get see more pictures now that you've learnt how to post them....  ..... very nice... love it...... Regards Pete |
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Post by miken on Dec 14, 2013 16:50:23 GMT
Thanks Pete, I originally planned to build a quick,powerful, not very detailed model of Bessborough for passenger hauling at my club. But fellow club member Fred Bailey who is building a FULL SIZE Brighton Atlantic keeps on lending me copies of original works drawings (the 2 locos are quite similar and share many parts) so I feel obliged to keep adding stuff. I wasn't that pleased when he gave me the drawing of the latch mechanism on the handle on the screw reverser but I got there in the end. Im 2 1/2 years into the build and it looks like my poor old B1 will have to do another season before it can go in for a rebuild.
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Post by sparticusrye on Dec 14, 2013 17:26:03 GMT
Lovely detail and a beautiful model. Keep it up. Seeing all these wonderful examples makes me wish I had insulated my workshop. -9 Celsius out thee righ now.
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Post by pault on Dec 14, 2013 18:23:22 GMT
Lovely work, and in only 2 ½ years, slightly jealous
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Post by drumkilbo on Dec 14, 2013 19:00:12 GMT
Just lovely Mike, and inspiring too, thanks for sharing.
Ian
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Post by jma1009 on Dec 14, 2013 21:22:41 GMT
hi mike,
thanks so much for posting the pics of BESSBOROUGH - really made my day! a very difficult loco to reproduce in miniature and you have captured the beauty and elegance of the original J2 superbly! all the little details i can appreciate.
doesnt like like long to finishing!
cheers,
julian
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2013 21:41:23 GMT
Thanks Pete, I originally planned to build a quick,powerful, not very detailed model of Bessborough for passenger hauling at my club. But fellow club member Fred Bailey who is building a FULL SIZE Brighton Atlantic keeps on lending me copies of original works drawings (the 2 locos are quite similar and share many parts) so I feel obliged to keep adding stuff. I wasn't that pleased when he gave me the drawing of the latch mechanism on the handle on the screw reverser but I got there in the end. Im 2 1/2 years into the build and it looks like my poor old B1 will have to do another season before it can go in for a rebuild. Hi Mike Like Julian I also appreciate models with fine details, makes such a difference, your very lucky to have someone like Fred and that he's building a close full size version too.... I'm jealous... keep up the good work, she's going to be a true beaut... Pete |
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Post by arch1947 on Dec 14, 2013 21:44:59 GMT
G'Day Mike, One lovely model. I am intrigued by the "sunroof" in the cabin. I am kcking around some ideas for a 5" model and tank engine such as yours have a real style and appeal.
Well done,
Arch
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Post by jma1009 on Dec 14, 2013 21:57:48 GMT
looks like im not the only one to have fred bailey's help! fred is in charge of the Bluebell's H2 Atlantic project, as well as being a very accomplished model engineer also building a 5"g terrier. he has very kindly sent me pics of bits of the fullsize STEPNEY ive needed as too far for me to travel apart from an occasional visit.
BESSBOROUGH might look deceptively straightforward but im sure mike would agree is a very complicated job in miniature. also because it is such a well known loco (to Brighton fans) you need to get every detail right, plus the mechanical problems. piston valves, rocker arms, avoiding the constipation of the small bore piston valves and relatively short travel valves of fullsize etc.
look carefully at mike's rear driving wheel spashers in the cab - quite superb! the reason why no martin evans etc designed such a loco in miniature is that it really is very complicated.
i still prefer ABERGAVENNY though!
i would say mike you are onto a gold medal and J.N. Maskelyne cup winner here! just dont enter it the same year pete enters his DONCASTER!
cheers,
julian
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Post by jma1009 on Dec 14, 2013 22:10:40 GMT
the only very minor criticism i would make is that the flare on the top of the safety valve casing doesnt look large enough to me, and a tad too thick. the top of the safety valve casing should be wider all round.
ive spent quite a while in awe of the pics and drooling over same and everything else is perfect! Brighton at it's very best! a superb job!
it is often forgotten that until the GWR publicity machine got going in the very early 1920's, the Brighton had a huge following from enthusiasts. the first loco preserved was GLADSTONE ex-LBSCR and not for nothing! was LBSC's pride and joy not his miniature version of LBSCR GROSVENOR 2-2-2? nothing beats the Brighton locos in my book!
having heard a lot about mike's progress with his loco the last couple of years im so pleased he has at long last posted some pics.
cheers,
julian
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Post by miken on Dec 15, 2013 9:52:19 GMT
Thanks for all the kind comments. The valve gear caused a bit of head scratching. The movement of the outside valve gear is transferred to the inside valves via a rocking shaft. It was quite tricky to get the rocking shaft to fit in . I didn't have an actual drawing for that area, just an outline drawing, so it is a bit conjectural in that department. Also , because i want a good track performer I enlarged the bore and length of the piston valves from scale (to 22mm dia) but nearly didn't get away with it when it came to fitting the plate work in front of the smoke box (unfortunately I am a terrible draughtsman, I just sketch things on bits of scrap paper as i go). Fellow club member Mike Wheelright calculated the lengths of all the important lengths of the valve gear components for me .
The piston cylinders and piston valve cylinders are all fabricated from brass and bronze with cast iron liners and c.i. pistons and rings which i believe is the best material for a hard working engine.
I am trying to represent the loco as it was when it was new. It had many detail changes (they moved the position of the builders plate, water tank fillers and sand box fillers etc)before it was completely rebuilt with a different cab a few years later.
Arch1947, the "Sunroof" in the cab is called a "clerestory". It has louvred sides for ventilation and it makes quite an attractive feature. It was removed later on when Bessborough was rebuilt . The idea is that the back panel of the cab is removable for getting my hand in for driving and the roof of the clerestory lifts off to be able to see the controls.
Julian. Ive not really given much thought to entering model engineering competitions. Another club member is Peter Fagg who I am sure you will have heard of. I look at his wonderful creations in awe and there doesn't seem much point. You are right about the safety valve casing, it was a bit of a compromise to go with the out of scale safety valves.
Mike
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2013 13:24:52 GMT
Another club member is Peter Fagg who I am sure you will have heard of. I look at his wonderful creations in awe.... On Friday, I spent a long time looking at Peter Fagg's beautiful LSWR Beattie 2-4-0 tender loco at Sandown Park. Absolute perfection! He is a real master of the art. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2013 13:42:03 GMT
--------- and how does it perform ?? Not being sarky here, just asking..." A thing of beauty is a joy to behold" indeed, but will it drag 1,000 ton of coal over Shap and be back in time for tea ?? --ie is it practical as well ??
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Post by miken on Dec 16, 2013 8:23:31 GMT
--------- and how does it perform ?? Not being sarky here, just asking..." A thing of beauty is a joy to behold" indeed, but will it drag 1,000 ton of coal over Shap and be back in time for tea ?? --ie is it practical as well ?? I can confirm that Peter 's locos perform as well as they look. Many a time he has turned up at Hove Park with his King Arthur looking immaculate. modelengineeringwebsite.com/King_Arthur_loco.html And we have both gone on the track and done a straight 3 hour passenger hauling session without a break. When its time to come off, my B1 is usually an oily, ash covered disgrace . His engine always seems to look the same condition as when he lit it up! I dont know how he does it. Its really annoying. MN |
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Post by Shawki Shlemon on Dec 16, 2013 9:30:02 GMT
All the good words have been used , I agree with them , congratulation on very nice work , keep us informed please .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2013 10:29:33 GMT
Goodness me !!! That certainly sets the bar at a high place.........I see what you mean...In my book there's nothing worse than having these "Sideboard Manors" ( our local club joke-name ) at shows that seem to be all "Dressed up, with nowhere to go"......if you see what I'm getting at ??....................Also adding my congrats. to you as well MIKEN..Yes, a similar rocking lever idea to GWR / LMS but the "other way around" as it were ??......You both are truly inspirational and showing your work as it progresses via this forum keeps that inspiration going..........
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Post by miken on Jul 13, 2019 20:21:30 GMT
A couple of weeks ago i took my Terrier down to the track for a boiler test and to see if it worked. We posed it to recreate this famous picture (sort of). It did work, so now Its now in bits being painted.
Shame about all the clutter in the background.
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..... very nice... love it......
