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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2014 20:50:29 GMT
Hello all-------------- I'm in the process of "de-Westernising" a bought-in Simplex ( Is that sounds of cheering from the East Coast Crowd I hear ? ) ----------------- I want to turn it out in a typical National Coal Board livery with the red fluted rods, crosshead, running board sides, hand rails......... The legend on the tank sides to read}---- N. C. B. ---in block capitals approx 1.5" high and in straw or pale yellow, whilst underneath that and in letters 0.5" high and in similar colour will be}---- ( SHROPSHIRE AREA )........Where can I get this either made OR extract the same from a sheet of decals or waterslide transfers  .....Also}--has anyone some close-up photos showing that sort of livery ?..........Thanks in advance for any help or leads etc...Here is the progress so far...The other side is prepped and ready for the final top coats..............................................  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2014 21:02:56 GMT
Hi Alan Out of curiosity I did a quick bit of surfing... although this isn't the same class it certainly looks nice... red frames too...   Pete |
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Post by jma1009 on Jun 22, 2014 21:29:48 GMT
hi alan,
following your previous thread on this subject i did a search online and in my books and couldnt find a 'standard NCB livery', there being wide variations even at the same colliery.
my previous offer to hand paint the lettering still stands and will be much quicker than messing about on a computer and printer i would dare to suggest!
cheers,
julian
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 0:45:57 GMT
Hello all.....Sorry chaps, I meant to put this in under the previous listing, went away from the PC to make a cup of tea and completely forgot to do it !!!! fiko, or what ?? JULIAN---------- It would seem that the only "Standard" thing about a livery for the NCB locos is that there wasn't one !!......So I'm trying to capture the general "theme" overall..I'll keep your offer as the last option for now..NICK952, Yes, several people have indicated to me that "Crafy Papers" are ok for the job BUT, I haven't a clue how to do that and right now the required "learning time" could be better spent in production (either on this Simplex or my Triumph 750 motorcycle that's on the hydraulic bench wasting Tax and Insurance time )....I'll put that on the back burner for now as a Winter Project....I've a feeling it will become a useful "string to my bow" ?? ---------PETE, that's an interesting photo as it shows a rare glimpse of the paintwork INSIDE the cab.....Did that cream colour go the full depth of the cab or less than that I wonder ??------------Thanks all, more later.
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Post by ejparrott on Jun 23, 2014 9:42:30 GMT
Looks like level with the top of the bunkers to me, unless there's a door there.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 18:06:40 GMT
Looks like level with the top of the bunkers to me, unless there's a door there. -------------------- not the same loco but gives an idea I think >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.youtube.com/watch?v=jruMM-Wnsjg -------------- and here's a similar thing on the Ribble railway >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7iBr-xhGNI ----------------------- yes, it's just the top half of the cab I think ......... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 18:19:23 GMT
----------- now with glossy black wheels !!!---------  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2014 23:14:27 GMT
Latest in the NCB livery saga !!.............To-day, after hours of preparation, masking, rubbing down, wash-down with METHS etc. it was time to spray the boiler........Just as the first coat was going-off there appeared a "ripple" where a previous repair job to the cladding had been painted over with an ENAMEL paint = ARRRGGhhhhhhhh!!!.............OK, big, deeeeeeeeeeeeep breaths, think calm thoughts, Alan.....I'm going to leave it to fully harden out before attempting a local repair/repaint...let's say until next Monday at the earliest..............Any thoughts as to how to do it ( the white strip is the fluorescent tube light just above )...  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2014 11:20:23 GMT
hi Alan.. sometimes when something like this happens and if all of the paint around is hardened over time, I quickly wipe the effected area down with some white spirit...white spirit won't effect the old paint whereas cellulose will.
Pete
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2014 15:59:26 GMT
Hi PETE-------- have just tried your idea and I've managed to get most of the "infected" area removed now......I've got some 200 grit, open-faced production paper from the Automotive trade so will gently rub-down until we have a reasonably smooth surface again----------- then re-mask and re-spray using numerous thin coats...On a full-size loco this was quite easy..it'a a tad more demanding on a completed model !!....................... Just to get to this stage I've had to give it 2 full wash-downs with Paraffin and a 2" brush followed by numerous applications of the compressed air blow-gun,drying with a cloth, etc..............Fingers crossed, eh ??
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2014 19:12:52 GMT
JUMPIN JEHOSHAPHAT !!--I must be cursed or as near as makes no difference !!!---------------- Applied final coat last night and all went well.......I then did some "Tinternetting" for a couple of hours so as not to be tempted and put just that one more on...........Went back for a quick look and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CALAMITY JANE !!---It's done it AGAIN but in 3 or 4 different areas !!............OK, that's the sum total of 3 days efforts up the proverbial whatsit ??...DECISION TIME}--- I'll have to remove the Cab/Water Tank assembly, remove the boiler cladding then put them all through an Industrial de-paint and this time do it -------- PROPERLY !!!!!!! ( and in satin Black as originally intended)....The wheels, motion, running boards are unaffected by all this pa-larva.....Meanwhile, back on the ranch, look what a chance comment to a motorcycling buddy has produced >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  ------ |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2014 15:46:11 GMT
Alas the rotation stand isn't finished yet ---- so it's a case of "Sit on yer Bumkins" to access the water tank/cab assy. clamping nuts----------------  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2014 15:48:06 GMT
Followed by actually removing the Tanks/cab and seeing the boiler for the first time............  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2014 16:04:56 GMT
------------one problem that's already made itself known is that the running boards, cab-sides, roof etc are all made from Stainless Steel and weren't acid - etched before being painted..Consequently there are large,crisp-sized pieces dropping off all over the place as oil leaches its' way between the paint and metal!!!.......Tomorrow I'll be introducing Mr.Paint to Mr.Nitro-Mors !!--------------Plus a cold shower, naturally !!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 21:18:38 GMT
--------- and here is THE STRIPPER !! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Next up will be a very mild shot-blast followed by some structural repairs and upgrades ie}--- pipework to support a second injector,....Blank-off the old holes from the nameplate,.....Design and fit a 2" sq. water "reservoir" ( fed from my driving truck water container),which will also house the L/H and R/H injector feed-water valves....Glazing into the windows, Removal of the by-pass pump and associated pipework etc....Hand pump at rear of cab acting across the width,...More later !! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 21:26:58 GMT
That certainly looks to have been several colors in it's lifetime.
Cheers
Tom
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 21:40:07 GMT
Hello TOM-------- yes, the main reason why I've had to resort to this is a previous owner having done some cladding repairs then painted over using an enamel paint.....Of course a) I didn't know this and -- b) The cellulose spray reacted with the enamel causing it to ripple in the usual, well-known way !!.... This is a very early SIMPLEX and one "feature" is the use of back head clacks.....not a nice idea at the best of times !!I'm going to have a chat with one of our boiler chaps to see how he feels about putting a pair of clacks at the front end of the barell, one on either side..The bush in the boiler being threaded AND silver soldered in.....I'm hoping not to have to remove the boiler from its' frame as it's a good steamer at the moment..........Any thoughts from "The Collective" on that idea ??
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Post by jma1009 on Jul 1, 2014 22:20:15 GMT
hi alan,
even better would be a top feed.
sorry to hear the problems re cellulose -v- enamel. not an uncommom problem.
cheers,
julian
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 23:38:39 GMT
Hi JULIAN--------blimey mate, here's me doing the full monty re}--- de-Westernising and you want a top feed !! LoL !!.......... Just as an exercise in "out of the box" thinking, how would that be done then |
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Post by uuu on Jul 2, 2014 6:17:17 GMT
Could you arrange a top feed to sneak in through the dome top, avoiding altering the main boiler structure?
Wilf
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.....Also}--has anyone some close-up photos showing that sort of livery ?..........Thanks in advance for any help or leads etc...Here is the progress so far...The other side is prepped and ready for the final top coats.............................................. 
