jma1009
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Post by jma1009 on Jul 17, 2014 13:57:02 GMT
as jim's comments are directed at me, perhaps it is worth remembering that doug specifically asked "shall i repost on this forum my restoration?" i had already read all of doug's write up on same on his own web page sometime ago. a great deal can be learnt about miniature locos when overhauling a well used loco - such overhauls ive carried out have greatly influenced the construction of my own locos in such matters as simplicity and ruggedness of smokebox internals and connections, where wear develops and hence on new builds special care or beefing up is required and care in alignment, lubrication, improvements to steam and exhaust circuit and valve gear improvements and valve setting etc. another important area that is easily gleaned from overhauling an LBSC type loco is the vast superiority of proper silver soldered bushes for regulator flanges and all boiler fittings. one of the things i learnt early on was how to set valves where there is play in the valve gear/motion, and how simple alterations to pipework and fittings would vastly increase the reliability and operating range of injectors. cheers, julian
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Post by Doug on Jul 17, 2014 15:38:47 GMT
Hello all---------- I think this might need to be a case of}-- "A picture is worth 1,000 words" ----only in reverse !!............Why not use the occasional photo to summarise a collection of sequences just described ??......Nothing worse than a whole series of "Holiday snaps", each one being just slightly different from the previous one.... Oddly I find the opposite true I can often understand very well from photo's where a description just does not convey the actions taken, I am not a word smith as you can probably see from my awful grammar and spelling. And don't worry about space as the photo's are not stored on the server of this forum so ironically the less words the better
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 16:07:32 GMT
as jim's comments are directed at me, --------- I think I have claim to a bit of that kudos as well, young sir !! ---------- Ah well, at least the 6 in favour will be catered for..........Shall we draw a line under this one gents and let the restoration carry on ??
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Post by ejparrott on Jul 17, 2014 16:56:17 GMT
Please
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Post by Jim on Jul 21, 2014 8:11:18 GMT
You're doing a lovely restoration job Dug and are to be commended for getting loco back into steam and in its former glory. One thing that comes across in your rebuild is that nothing is ever as simple as it first seems. As is always the case a part removed reveals yet a new problem. Great work Dug..
Jim.
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Post by Doug on Jul 21, 2014 9:27:13 GMT
You're doing a lovely restoration job Dug and are to be commended for getting loco back into steam and in its former glory. One thing that comes across in your rebuild is that nothing is ever as simple as it first seems. As is always the case a part removed reveals yet a new problem. Great work Dug.. Jim. you are not wrong Jim as you will see later on i have ended up doing most of the jobs a few times till i got it right. now with hind sight i would have done alot of things diferently but thats the whole thing about learning something new you really need a challenge to make you learn, if its easy then you will prob. miss things and not understand it as well. i am stll learning with every job i do as although i have been engineering for quite a few years i know nothing about loco's other than what i have learnt the hard way over the last year and a half. The main thing is i enjoy what i am doing (even the mistakes)
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jma1009
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Post by jma1009 on Jul 21, 2014 9:55:31 GMT
i am a great believer in testing everything as i go along. there is nothing worse than finding out some leak somewhere requiring dismantling again. we all know about stripping down and testing boilers, but i also check on air every check valve and ancillary part, every bit of pipework, cylinder assemblies etc. i have only 1 loco that doesnt have inside cylinders, and to find a fault on inside cylinders is a huge job after assembly. i had the task of putting together a new club loco SUPER SIMPLEX some years ago. it ended up taking 18 months! the axles were too long so the wheels were over gauge, clearances on radius rod forks werent enough and the valve gear bent, every fitting leaked, safety valves didnt work, someone forgot to machine the recesses in the cylinder covers to allow the steam in and out, and one member was so stingy with the silver solder making the exhaust branch pipe (same type as Doug's Speedy branch pipe) that the flanges broke off from the pipes... someone else was too generous with the silver solder on the pressure gauge pipe and the cones were filled solid with silver solder! steel bolts on dome bush and regulator bush and ordinary steel spring in the whistle valve! someone had fitted the reverser to the frames with bolts one size too small for the tapped holes thinking they were clearance holes! perhaps worst of all no filter for the injector! (not an exhaustive list i might add!) cheers, julian
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Post by Jim on Jul 21, 2014 10:05:14 GMT
That sounds horrific Julian, I admire your patience. Jim
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Post by Roger on Jul 21, 2014 13:04:40 GMT
I'm really enjoying this warts and all account Doug, there's nothing quite like learning something the hard way.
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Post by Doug on Jul 21, 2014 13:36:11 GMT
I'm really enjoying this warts and all account Doug, there's nothing quite like learning something the hard way. totally agree if it was a put coal in it and go exersize, i would have been no better off now that back before i had butch. The amount of trouble i have had with it has been great as i really cant think of a better way of learning than gettting a troubled loco to work well (oh boy was it troubled!).
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Post by Doug on Jul 22, 2014 12:01:00 GMT
july 29th 2013 Once I have joined up no doubt I will take loads of photo's they look pretty sorted for kit tho I have been busy again in preparation for running a full steam test I wanted to make a better rolling road as the loco acts very differently when it's on it's wheels so here we go a video running an compressed air test inc whistle TBC Bit of an update I am just waiting for a nice day to do the steam test And now confirmed I will be building a 15xx class loco almost from scratch I just need to go pick up the parts and castings etc so i will soon be starting a new build thread I am currently a very happy boy indeed, the end of this month should see my application through to the model engineers club too so I may get to run butch on the track before the end of the year which will be great \ / TBC 10th Aug 2013 Finally the steam test! Well it turned out a bit ouchy I got a Stella steam burn lol Any way good news and bad news The bad news is it didn't go too well it still too stiff to run correctly so I need to strip down again which is prob not all that bad The good news is I got a video of the whistle The next bit of good news is the chimney restricter works a treat the fire lasted loads longer without loosing the steaming capability And it looks fantastic in the daylight as well TBC basically it runs a treat on air so my grandfather and I worked out that it has to be the orings going soft when hot so they are coming out and being replaced by the correct material grafite yarn which should get things moving along nicely not really a big job either one afternoon should do it I have the yarn already so just need some time Ask and ye shall receive I got some spare time so I got to fixing butch Removed the end covers The offending item the dreaded o-ring The new old school seal The grafite yarn on the piston And,,,,,,,,,,,, it works a treat Totally transformed it, lesson learnt don't deviate from the original unless you have to Now I can look forward to a running loco on the track just got a safety test to get through next TBC 2 sept 2013 Hopefully some home stretch news, I had a reply from the club saying that my membership will be considered at the next committee meeting In preparation for running I am trying to source a 12v fan that I can use to draw the fire on the boiler Tried this one but its way too powerful it will prob pull the coal out of the fire box time to go shopping 6th sept 2013 Great news my membership came through I am now a paid up member of the Northwest Leicestershire Society of Experimental Model Emgineers \ / I have been doing some detail work on Butch Shackles anyone? Bending the rod Half a shackle the hoop is made by filing half the diameter then bent over and brazed It has to pass through the hook before the second hoop is formed The first shackle all done well mostly The completed shackle And on the loco Just have the other half of the assembly to make then I get to do it all again
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Post by Doug on Jul 23, 2014 7:00:31 GMT
There is actually quite a bit more to come yet !!!!
TBC
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Post by Roger on Jul 23, 2014 7:37:14 GMT
Boy, you've had that apart a lot! Hopefully it will be a lot easier when you're making a new locomotive.
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Post by Doug on Jul 23, 2014 8:06:06 GMT
Boy, you've had that apart a lot! Hopefully it will be a lot easier when you're making a new locomotive. I doubt that it will all the issues i had with this loco are fairly normal. Althought the loco is over 40years old it had not really run at all so it might as well have been a new loco. The main reason I took it apart so much was that I had no experiance and to be honest not a clue what I was doing, hind sight is a wonderful thing and now knowing what to look out for I could have probably done it in 1/3 or the time, but at least i had a lot of fun learning all about it, and I have also learnt the hard way what needs to be easily removable for test and service, all of which is feeding into the speedy build. thats one thing i like about the design of Speedy thought has been given to how to take it apart without being a total nightmare thats where LBSC is at an advantage he didnt build it for looks alone he used to use his loco's.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2014 8:24:53 GMT
Well done indeed !!!-------Although I may have carped-on a bit earlier re}-- Quantity of photographs, there is no getting away from the fact that you have achieved an "Erste Klasse" job as our Germanic cousins would say....And you're right--it's FUN, isn't it ??........From the very first moment I cracked-open a regulator ( Slowly, mind !!) and we got under way with linking-up, firing, watering, etc. I've been HOOKED !!...That was well over 40 years ago and I can tell from your article you get that also ??........Congrats. etc and well done on joining a club as that is another, important side to our hobby ie}--- The Social networking and active participation ( Says me who has only attended 1 running session this year !!)........
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Post by Doug on Sept 4, 2014 7:28:57 GMT
Well how hard is it to date a loco, Very hard it would seem i have just been given a set of negatives of Butch just after it was finished, the box the negatives came in, says developed 2 MAY 1965 so its actually alot older than i had first thought. Its 49 years old. i will try and pop a couple of pics up when i can
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Post by ejparrott on Sept 4, 2014 8:28:41 GMT
It's amazing how time flies! It's hard to believe, but the frames for my Lilla were laid down 27 years ago, and she was finished 5 years later, so she's 27 or 22 years old depending how you look at it.
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Post by Doug on Sept 4, 2014 12:08:13 GMT
a photo or two from 1965
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Post by Roger on Sept 4, 2014 14:13:21 GMT
It's a pretty little engine and that looks like a proud moment being captured there. I know a lot of people don't like Facebook, but I think it's a wonderful legacy that some of us are leaving behind by way of this sort of picture along with comments and reactions. I don't put all of my photos up, family aren't that interested really. I do have a 'Geeks only zone' album though where anyone can see this stuff. The point I'm making is that I know nothing of by Great Grandfather, not even what he looked like. Out descendants will be able to not only see what we were like but will have a real appreciation of our interests and character. I'd love to be able to see the Facebook page of my ancestors, I think it would be fascinating. There's a colossal effort gone into creating this locomotive and I'm guessing that there's little of that remaining, only the odd photo and of course Butch.
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Post by 3405jimmy on Sept 4, 2014 15:31:23 GMT
It's a pretty little engine and that looks like a proud moment being captured there. I know a lot of people don't like Facebook, but I think it's a wonderful legacy that some of us are leaving behind by way of this sort of picture along with comments and reactions. I don't put all of my photos up, family aren't that interested really. I do have a 'Geeks only zone' album though where anyone can see this stuff. The point I'm making is that I know nothing of by Great Grandfather, not even what he looked like. Out descendants will be able to not only see what we were like but will have a real appreciation of our interests and character. I'd love to be able to see the Facebook page of my ancestors, I think it would be fascinating. There's a colossal effort gone into creating this locomotive and I'm guessing that there's little of that remaining, only the odd photo and of course Butch. Roger, Thanks for helping me by pointing out what the point was. I think by the way you’re talking rubbish all they will be able to see was that we were obsessed with photographing sleeping cats, wet dogs shaking the water off, what they were eating? New baby’s (Can I have fires with that). Holiday sunsets, isn’t my girlfriend hot bla bla bloody bla. The irony that I have a face book presence is not lost on me
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