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Post by george on Jun 30, 2016 19:54:11 GMT
Due to work commitments i asked a friend from my club to take my loco down to the track to have the boiler hydraulicaly tested,it all blanked off just the regulator in there, the inspector said that the owner of the loco had to be there when it was tested, is this correct please?
george
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jackrae
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Post by jackrae on Jun 30, 2016 20:00:27 GMT
I believe the only requirement is that the owner must be a club member. If you are known to the inspector then he was being a bit picky, if not then how was he to know who the "real" owner is.
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smallbrother
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Post by smallbrother on Jul 1, 2016 7:09:12 GMT
If you google "The Northern Association of Model Engineers" they have put the Test Code on their website.
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Post by houstonceng on Jul 3, 2016 18:45:27 GMT
You can google Southern Federation. They have the test code as well. My understanding was what was said about boiler testing which is that it should be limited to the Inspector(s) or one inspector and a suitable witness plus the owner. This was a recommendation to urge the inspectors to not have Uncle Tom Cobley and all milling around and offering advice.
It is not mandatory that the owner be there if the inspector knows the boiler and that the owner thereof is a paid up member of the Society. Of course, it is in the best interests of the owner that he/she OR a trusted friend attend so that any faults are witnessed and correctly cured by the owner before the re-.test.
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Tony K
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Post by Tony K on Jul 8, 2016 13:34:25 GMT
I cannot see anything in the regs which would require the owner to be present but....
"All examinations and tests are carried out entirely at the discretion of the inspector."
So, if the inspector wants the owner there, Bob's your uncle.
If the inspector asked "Has there been any modification or repair to the boiler?" or other pertinent question - would the attending person be able to answer?
If you were a boiler tester, wouldn't you be saying "If the owner is not willing to invest the time to be present at the test, why should I invest my time in testing it?"
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jackrae
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Post by jackrae on Jul 8, 2016 20:17:00 GMT
From a NAME regulation point of view, the owner does not have to be there, so the inspector was being a bit picky if inspected under NAME Green Book.
That said it might have been better if you'd discussed the matter with the inspector beforehand and explained the situation and got his agreement to test without you being present, rather than assuming he was "obliged" to do it - which of course he is not.
Personally, if I was inspecting, I'd rather the owner wasn't present as it would permit me to be truly objective and not be influenced by the owner if I found it necessary to reject the test.
"All examinations and tests are carried out entirely at the discretion of the inspector."
So, if the inspector wants the owner there, Bob's your uncle.
It's not the inspector's discretion to make his own rules up, his discretion is to either perform the test or not and if not to explain, within the limits of the guidance document, why not.
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