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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2021 23:05:59 GMT
Good day all
Can anyone share their experience on the above kits, please? I am giving some serious consideration to purchasing one of their kits. I do have one concern though and that's the 'scale', I have read that 1/32 is the closest to scale and Barrett's models are 10mm? any views/comments on the scale would be much appreciated.
Thanks in advance
Pete
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Post by barlowworks on Jun 29, 2021 5:22:04 GMT
They had a stand at the recent garden railway show at Peterborough. The models on display looked fine and I wasn’t aware they were out of scale. Perhaps an inquiry to a proper gauge 1 group might answer your inquiry.
Mike
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Post by uuu on Jun 29, 2021 7:11:06 GMT
I'm confused. I looked up 10mm scale on t'internet, to see what it meant, and got back an answer of 1:160. I think even I would say that's a bit off your target. Something to do with wargaming figures. Then I found this link: 1/32 vs 10mm where some wag was suggesting it meant 10mm to the foot. Most amusing. Surely can't be right? Wilf Edit - perhaps I shouldn't be surprised - the italian manufacturer of some bike parts I bought insisted the fixing hole have a thread of 10mm x 26tpi. |
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Post by simplyloco on Jun 29, 2021 7:34:56 GMT
I'm confused. My smallest model is 1/8 scale...
John Barrett
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2021 8:59:58 GMT
thanks for the input so far guys... I did do my own research before asking the question. From what I read the difference is perhaps 5% with 10mm being the smaller. I also got the impression that 10 mm is more of an older standard, perhaps something like a 'course scale'? I've seen a model kit that I like but 'scale' is very important to me so thought that I'd ask those who dabble in gauge 1 for their own views. I also read somewhere that live steam is more likely to be 10 mm but find this a little strange when looking at what's out there, for example, the most well-known makes, Aster/Accucraft are 1/32?
I was wondering what others experience when visiting clubs, which is the most seen scale? I'll ask the same question at my club when I pop down this Thursday, we have a pretty strong G1 following.
10 mm may be fine for me as I'm not thinking of making a scale model railway 'per se' but do want the option to be available.
Pete
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2021 10:16:18 GMT
a correction to what I said in my post above, I have just been reading the info on the G1mra site and it seems 10 mm ( btw that is 10mm /foot) is the larger of the scales, I had assumed it was the smaller from other sites.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2021 16:15:50 GMT
Well guys I bit the bullet and ordered a Barretts kit, I have chosen the 'Jubilee'..it will be a few months before I recieve part 1. I'll report back how things go.
Pete
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Post by overner on Jul 3, 2021 8:16:40 GMT
Well guys I bit the bullet and ordered a Barretts kit, I have chosen the 'Jubilee'..it will be a few months before I recieve part 1. I'll report back how things go. Pete Looking forward to that Pete .. Lots of pics too 👍 Andy |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2021 21:34:52 GMT
the first thing to do is decide which of the class that I'm going to make... to help me with this I bought this excellent book on the 'Jubilee's' . The model comes with a Stanier 4000 gal tender and the 34 A or B boiler can be modeled. So I guess that I need to learn what these are and go from there...this LMS stuff is all new to me.....   Pete |
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Post by barlowworks on Jul 4, 2021 6:57:58 GMT
I think that you may have wondered into another minefield there Pete. 😉
Mike
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2021 11:18:08 GMT
I think that you may have wondered into another minefield there Pete. 😉 Mike I think you may be right Mike.... Pete |
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Post by iant on Jul 4, 2021 15:03:41 GMT
This 'scale' issue always seems to cause people problems Pete.
The best/correct way to understand scale, is to just look at the track gauge - in this case 45mm.
The ratio between 4ft 8.1/2" and 45mm is 1:31.89111 (OK, let's just call it 1:31.89).
So this is 9.557mm/ft which would be the exact scale conversion for standard gauge stock on 45mm track.
If a ratio of 1:32 is used, then this would be the equivalent of 9.525mm/ft, slightly under true scale but nearer than 10mm. So 10mm is the "larger" of the two G1 scales but 1:32 is the nearest to scale! :-)
BTW - I will also mention that in Gauge '3' - 1:22.6 is the scale ratio and both scale 'rules of thumb' for G3 (17/32" and 13.5mm) are very near to the actual scale (13.49mm/ft)
Regards,
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2021 15:30:11 GMT
Thanks for that Ian....I did give this a little thought before going for 10mm. Normally for me it would be the closest to scale which would be 1/32, however in my mind for live steam the bigger the better. It's not a lot but a slightly larger boiler can only be a good thing, more so when choosing a narrow boilered loco. I have added a further complication by going for coal fired, after talking to Steve at Barrets it became possible for me to fire with coal with Steve supplying a boiler suitable for the job.
I don't plan on making the model to extreme details ( famous last words) as I still have 4472 to complete when I can. For now planning a gauge 1 gives me something to look forward too even if some months away before I can make a start.
Cheets
Pete
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Post by timb on Jul 6, 2021 11:02:31 GMT
Hi GG,
That looks a nice model, is it a pre-finished assembly job or a flat pack? It mentions some of the bits being machined in the 'Model Makers Kit', I guess this is reflected in the price??
Curious.
Tim
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2021 20:39:37 GMT
Hi Tim There's little to no machining required although I'm sure that I'll find something to do. Lot's of fabrication work in brass etchings so plenty of soft soldering and folding metal. The kit is basically a meths kit but I have commisioned a coal fired boiler so a few etc bits to do...I do love a challenge... GG |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2021 10:00:11 GMT
Morning all, a slight change in plan...Barret's are about to launch two new kit batches, one of which is a GWR King... well that is much closer to my liking than a Jubilee, so I have just spoken to Barrett's and updated my order, it will take a little longer as the first parts aren't due until the end of the year. This kit has more detail too so right up my alley...  I'll update as kit parts arrive, probably in the new year or perhaps very end of this. Looking forward to it.. Pete |
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Post by abby on Sept 6, 2021 15:59:26 GMT
The Barrett etched body kits are fairly easy to build , I am currently (between diy on the house) building a small batch of gauge 1 Merchant Navy class engines at 10 mm scale. Incidentally gauge 1 at 1/32 scale is known as fine scale and both 1/32 and 10 mm run on the same gauge track.
One mistake I found on the body kit I am building is that one side is Merchant Navy the other is west country (or B of B)
There are 6 boiler wash out plugs on one side and 5 on the other .........going to be interesting putting it right!
Dan.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2021 8:12:58 GMT
Thank's for the heads up Dan, I have heard of some issues with cylinders on one of the kits, I'll take a close look for problems when the kits begin to arrive later this year. Yes, I am aware of the differences between 10mm and 1/32, I like the fact that 10mm are slightly larger, just need to be sure to get 10mm coach stock....one day.. Kind regards Pete |
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Post by JonL on Nov 10, 2021 21:31:59 GMT
Any news on this?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2021 20:16:16 GMT
Not yet Jon, the first part of the kit (tender) is due soon, hopefully, I can update the thread by Xmas... Pete |
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