14XX Water Capacity

[mott]

Hi, I am beginning to wonder if the side tanks on the 14XX are on the small size for water delivery to the boiler over any reasonable distance. Comments made to me at the club are that they look on the small size. I suppose the answer is to carry an auxiliary tank on the "ride on" complete with pump.Any one yet had experience of long running and how far have they got before refilling with water? Mott

[gwrfan]

Hi Mott,

On my 57xx I have modified the rear bunker to carry water. Not a great deal I know, but the bunker tank is linked into the side tanks, and feeds cool water to the injector.

Phil Sutton should know more about your 14xx.
Regards

Geoff

[Phil Sutton]

Hi Mott.I reckon Pete Thomas is your man for that question.Myself,I think that the tank size compares well with a Simplex,but needs a balance pipe toget the most out of the tank capacity.I believe Geoge Wainwright has done away with using loco tanks altogether,filled them with lead for adhesion and uses a separate water supply carried on his driving truck.
Your Choice mate- over to you,over!

Phil

[sjtown]

hello again all,

I'm still here faffing around with my 1400, have been working on cosmetics since my last post, things are coming along, slowly!

On the tank question mine are now balanced but I would have preferred a bit more space, especially if I ran an injector from them.
I use the water in the tanks for general filling up and topping up with the axel pump if I'm on a short circuit and the injector which pulls water form the driving trucks 4" diameter pipe tank for normal filling up when ever necessary.
Most of the time I use both to good effect, but more on the injector when necessary to save stopping to fill up the tanks more often.

Steve

[heyfordian18]

Starting off with a 2/3rds full glass, I have managed 3 laps at my local club, which is about 1000 yards, after which the tanks were empty and the level in the glass was worrying me!. The right hand tank feeding the injector, does not deliver sufficient flow below half full, so I have built a 3 litre tank into the driving truck, just to feed the injector. With a larger bore balancing pipe (next weekends job!) the side tanks should keep up with the axle pump demand, and hopefully double the run length using the truck tank as well.
Heyfordian

[odc]

I know this is an old threat but it may be useful for me to add that I have regularly driven a Winson 14xx at our track and find it will just do two laps (about a mile) on the tanks but that three it will run out. I run have to run the engine quite hard, as we have heavy loads, and so long as I am running at bout 20-30% cut off with wide regulator, find this consistant. The engine in question also has a super injector, that is fed from the driving trolly and adapted plastic petrol can, and I some time have it going AS WELL as the pump if steaming well and the boiler not too full, to stop blowing off on our down grade section.

[mott]

Hi ODC, Exactly my experience too. I carry a tank on the back of the "ride on" to feed the injector and usually run with the bypass open. On your North London track which I visited last year with the 14XX I generally did 2 laps before taking on water. Mott

[simonwass]

The tanks are small because the full size version had small tanks What a strange thing for someone to tell you, have they not seen a photo of the full size loco?
Most people in our club who have tank locos have a gallon water bottle on their driving trucks. This either feeds an injector or just tops up the side tanks.

[mowerman1]

I too have had a riding tank made with approx 3 litres capacity for my Winson 14xx. Apart from the small capacity of the original side tanks, I found the tank water heated up and stopped the injector working. As I seem to have constant problems with leaks on my mechanical feedpump - I've had to change it twice - I have now gone over to using 2 Reeves injectors running from the riding tank. This has proved a good solution. My side tanks are now redundant, but I fill them anyway to help adhesion.

[ted14xxsmith]

Hi, I too use a tank on the riding riding car but I only use it to supply the injector I modified the crosshead pump by increasing the ram size to 5/16 this seems to keep up with the boiler as I use max cut off once running I only need my injector when waiting in the station to load

[ted14xxsmith]

some thing else I did was to fit a balance pipe between the tanks

[simonwass]

Nov 24, 2008 17:36:46 GMT ted14xxsmith said:

some thing else I did was to fit a balance pipe between the tanks

You mean the model doesnt come with one.....
I know Modelworks were a bit rough but this is just weird.

[Phil Sutton]

not only MW but Winsons as well,and there isn't much room under neath to fit one either!

Phil

[mowerman1]

Even with a balance pipe there is not much water capacity and frequent top ups are required. At least the riding tank gives the chance to get a good run.
Ted... I was interested to read about your modified ram on the crosshead pump. Does it run leak free? I've had 2 pumps now and each has leaked past the o-ring when pumping into a boiler with more than 60psi in it. I've given up on it and now use 2 injectors.
I assume your loco is a 14xx? Peter

[PeteT]

Hi folks,

not very often that I look at these threads, but pleased to see a few more 1400's are running now. To encourage you, my (or rather my wife's) 9 year old Winson 1400 (the first to run back in 1999) still goes well Tank capacity is a bit small (and hardly worth the bother of putting a balance pipe as capacity of left hand tank is small and right hand tank negligible). On ground level (Sinsheim for example) I run with a water tank in the riding truck which means you can run for a couple of hours and by then it is worth checking the lubricator. For those that fret about such things, my original Winson gas valve regulator still passes its hydraulic test with everything connected and the crosshead pump always seems to work fine (just give it a clout each spring to free the balls). Water consumption is a lot less with properly fitted pistons and iron rings. Replacement of the winson safety valve with a standard Polly one (designed for us by Gordon Smith) helps too.

Pete T

[gwr1400]

Hi Folks,
.
Can somebody help me,when i put the 1400 into steam, i cannot punp water into the boiler via the hand pump?.

The hand pump goes into the boiler via the top clack.It has been sugested that i feed thehand pump into the

clack at ther bottom of the boiler,and remove the injector to the top clack of the boiler. Any help[ will be appreciated.

GWR1400

[davey]

Hi
hope this helps, on my 1400 the hand pump would lock solid on occasions, i put it down to the poor clacks supplied, i have replaced them all with polly versions and not had any problems with them. I also replaced all the valves with polly, they are really much better and worth the money. In a refit i repiped the hand pump to the bottom clack and the injector to the top this seems a more common practice.
regards
D