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Post by petercolman on Nov 30, 2007 21:43:07 GMT
I would think it is worth about £500, I dont see the right drop arm on the horizontal arm, however the collets are there and altjhough the table is the rigid one you get a larger capacity with it and it is more rigid. Peter
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Post by erik on Dec 8, 2007 18:03:10 GMT
Hi Noddy. Have you been bitten by the Deckel bug by now? At least you have been introduced to the practicalmachinist forum - the home for Deckel fanatics (or Deckelaholics, some may say). If you get an Alexander Toolmaster (or maker?) offered, that's a Deckel too. Just built in the UK. If one likes to collect stuff, a Deckel is the machine to get. At least accessories can be found - not so with Schaublin (extremely rare) and Aciera(never). Cheers Erik
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Post by Noddy on Dec 12, 2007 16:42:15 GMT
Thankyou Gentlemen, I'm well and truly bitten. I'm actually considering going back to the guy and buying it anyway, there's a lot more machine there for the money than with say a new VMC, and it has lived with tool makers for about the past 30 years, so has probably been treated with some sympathy.
Thanks again for the help you have all given
Keith
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Post by lampstart on Dec 15, 2007 23:15:42 GMT
hi The fp1 appears to have had a lot of use worth possibly £500,but bear in mind deckels were some of the best mills ever made,I worked on a new fp3 ,bigger than a 1 it was fantastic,when new they were about £2500 for a basic machine in 1967 a bridgeport in those days was £750.Remember with quality equipment if spares are available they are horrendously expensive,always try to buy a fully equiped machine and in good condition if you can afford it,Nmcb
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Post by erik on Dec 17, 2007 17:13:13 GMT
Lampstart,
that's good advice. Don't buy a faulty machine hoping you can repair it.
If you must have original spare parts, it'll be expensive.
A machine in nice condition and with the needed accessories is the best.
But Deckel accessories are the most common and tooling doesn't have
to cost a lot - you can even get new arbors and collt chucks. It's only
when you start collecting, it begins to hurt.
It's a good thing you didn't fall in love with a Schaublin13 or worst: Aciera3-4-5.
Stuff for those machine are rare to non-existent.
Welcome to the Deckelaholics, repeat after me: My name is xx, and I'm a Deckelaholic....
Take your time and find the right machine for you. But when you find it, don't hesitate!
Cheers Erik
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Post by Noddy on Dec 17, 2007 17:51:50 GMT
Hi Eric & Lampstart,
It's like that old advert for the black stuff:
"Hello, I'd like to order a De.., Deck.., Deck.., De..., Milling Machine please"
Keith
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Post by dickdastardly40 on Dec 21, 2007 9:21:20 GMT
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Post by Noddy on Dec 21, 2007 11:37:12 GMT
Thanks Al, I've been watching it, but got to say it looks a bit tired, plus the heads are not interchangeable with Deckel (different pressure angles on the gears).
Hi John, I once met a born again Morris Marina freak, and I gather that the Austin Allegro has a growing following, whether anyone collects the square steering wheels or not I dont know....
Seriously though, just take a look at the lathes.uk site to see the attractions of the beautifully built and fitted 7 axis machines.
I think this is probably the time and place to wish all of you a very happy Christmas and Prosperous new year, and many happy modelling years ahead.
Thanks to all who have helped and all who've put up with my insults with good humor.
Keith
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Post by Noddy on Jan 4, 2008 14:06:12 GMT
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Post by Doug on Feb 19, 2008 3:36:00 GMT
Keith,
I have worked with Deckel equipment over the years and have never found one I didn't like. Deckel machines are well thought out machines.
I have a FP1 with universal table in my home shop. For the work I tend to do it is a little small for me, but I keep it because of the universal table, and the odd setups I can do with it.
Keep in mind that the table travels for this model varied through the years. IIrc, the older ones have a 10" x travel (approx), while later models had more travel, up to 14" I think. Older machines often have a #4 Morse taper collet in the spindles, which I am told is hard to find. The image you posted, had a bushing in the vertical head that bushed it down to the same collet that the SO cutter grinder used. The machines take the same size collet in both the horizontal and vertical heads.
The ability to take the table off allows one to make a special fixturing to attach to the x cross slide. By bolting work to the cross slide, you can bore a fairly deep hole for the size of the machine.
The FP1 as I remember, is about 1200 lbs with out a table. In as the machine is pretty closed coupled, it is very stout for it's size. The #4 collet was available in 7/8", and the machine could nicely handle a cutter that size, which other larger machines, more nearly the size of a bridgeport, didn't have the rigidity needed for larger cutters.
I consider these to be the premiere mill for a small spaced model shop, yet would not hesitate to machine a cylinder block for a 1.5" scale loco on one if I needed to.
Regards,
Doug
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