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Post by Noddy on Nov 12, 2007 12:54:14 GMT
Ok, I know I'm talking far too much about mills and not actually getting me one to make babies with (I seem to remember being the same way about girls when I was about 14).....
I've just been speaking to a guy with a little engineering business here in Ireland about a Deckel FP1 he's thinking of selling.
Here at last is something more mainline than an Archdale and the Lathes.UK site has some good info on it (ok, there is more good info on more things there than anywhere else, just not on Archdale mills).
Does anyone have any idea of the going rate for the things, what to look out for on them (like are the ball races available if needed or were they made by deckel themselves) and what accessories to definitely look for.
From what the guy was saying, it has vertical and horizontal heads. I'm not sure about whether it has plain or universal table.
I want to go see it later this week, it sounds like something I could actually get into the barn (unlike 3 tons of Archdale).
Keith
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Post by AndrewP on Nov 12, 2007 17:11:57 GMT
Keith
There s one on ebay US at present,up to 1600 USD with a day to go, they reckon it weighs 1600 lbs so it might be a little easier to push around then the Archdale, only a little mind you!
looks like a handy piece of kit.
On millers the vertical head is often the sought after therefore expensive bit so if you get one with it - great, otherwise may be nasty surprises later.
Cheers, Andy
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Post by dickdastardly40 on Nov 12, 2007 18:35:04 GMT
Lots of info on Deckels amongst others at this forum, though it is US based and rather 'anti hobbyists'! However if you frame a specific question you may get the info you're looking for. You will have to register to post but can browse without. www.practicalmachinist.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/forum/6.htmlAl |
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Post by petercolman on Nov 13, 2007 21:06:30 GMT
In simple terms, If it has changewheel feeds and is fairly sound with the verticalhead I would offer GBP 400 for it and if it has later features go up to a max of 1500. If you need more help get back to me. Peter
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Post by drjohn on Nov 14, 2007 9:57:50 GMT
Old mills .... In my erstwhile days I had a Pallas horizontal with a vertical head which had been added as an afterthought - two 3HP 3 phase motors. But... although it weighed over 2 tons, the precision rigidity was less than desirable. The feature I liked most was the rack and pinion lateral table feed - gave great "feel" Just today, I ordered a Chinese West Lake mill - you can see it on www.westlakemachine.com/productShow.asp?ArticleID=246 but unless you read Chinese, it means little. Photos of the installation (it weighs in at 285 kilos as a desk-top mill!!??) will be posted on my website probably at the beginning of next week. All-up cost including custom stand from 2 X 2 X 1/4 angle - £500 Table 730x210mm - lateral travel 500mm, front to back travel 175mm - should cope with fluting coupling rods for the Black 5!! And here was me saying living in the far east has it's down sides! |
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Post by Noddy on Nov 14, 2007 12:31:33 GMT
Wow!
Thanks guys. I took a look over at the US site, (Thanks Artificer) they certainly look and sound the business.
there is a thread there with links to Deckel dealers, restorers etc, so it looks like there is plenty of backup and support available.
Dr John, that new mill looks nice.
Going to go see the guy and machine, it's a good couple hours away.
I'll Let you know how I get on
MMMMMMMMMM! 40 international taper...
Keith
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Post by dickdastardly40 on Nov 14, 2007 13:37:31 GMT
Noddy,
If you can get some photos, they can assist with value etc.
Al
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Post by Noddy on Nov 15, 2007 18:43:50 GMT
I'm over his side of the country next Thursday for work, so I'll have the camera with me. From what I can make out it's a dial model. Not sure yet if it is a universal table or fixed. I see Ajax are still importing what appears to be an FP1 clone: www.ajax-mach.co.uk/tooroommilling.htmKeith |
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Post by Noddy on Nov 23, 2007 11:09:26 GMT
Hi There.
I went to see the guy yesterday.
The machine is lever speed & feed change.
table is rigid, horizontal spindle is MT4, the verticle uses collets, I'm not sure whether these are in an insert within a MT4 or 40int bore.
back lash on the centre of x feed screw is 2.5 times 0.025mm.
The horizontal over arm appears to have had a couple of run ins with cutters, or very messy mods which cut through the dovetail.
If Icould work out how to post photos, I've got some.
Many thanks
Keith
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Post by dickdastardly40 on Nov 23, 2007 15:53:21 GMT
Keith,
Email em to me and I'll do the businees both here and on the PM forum if you like
Al
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Post by Noddy on Nov 23, 2007 18:23:02 GMT
Thanks Al,
Many happy returns
they are on their way.
Keith
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Post by Noddy on Nov 23, 2007 19:05:41 GMT
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Post by dickdastardly40 on Nov 23, 2007 22:04:39 GMT
Here are the pics, soon to be posted elsewhere also, Thanks for the b'day congrats! Al    |
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Post by dickdastardly40 on Nov 23, 2007 22:09:29 GMT
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Post by 02jcole on Nov 24, 2007 13:17:14 GMT
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Post by Noddy on Nov 26, 2007 16:52:52 GMT
Thanks very much for posting the photos Al. the response from the guys on the other site are reinforcing what I'm thinking, that it needs some TLC and that the price should reflect that. The guy was originally trying to sell a Hesapp CM1 (5 tonnes of industrial copy mill with ?late 70's controls) with a bed big enough to sleep on.
James, Thanks for the link is the mill yours? or do you know it?
Keith
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Post by 02jcole on Nov 26, 2007 18:01:43 GMT
Sorry, I should have noted that I bear no connection with this mill or the seller. I just found it when browsing eBay, and thought you might like to know it was there.
James.
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Post by Noddy on Nov 27, 2007 9:54:15 GMT
Just noticed that the location was East Sussex.....
Keith
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Post by dickdastardly40 on Nov 27, 2007 19:51:33 GMT
Keith,
what is the chap asking for the Deckel (ballpark)?
Al
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Post by Noddy on Nov 28, 2007 10:28:36 GMT
Hi Al,
When we were initially discussuing the machine, the guy was talking €2k (£1300).
Now that I've seen the thing, received some feedback and seen what price workshops are going for at present (like "Cheap as chips" and the fleabay link James found) I'm thinking of just giving this machine a complete miss.
It's tired and without the swivelling table, I dont think it is worth getting it unless very cheap
There are more mills coming up.
Thanks again for the continuing help
Keith
ps, anyone like to have a stab at the market value?
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