jeffo
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Post by jeffo on May 18, 2011 15:51:34 GMT
Hi,
I'v recentrly brought a 3.5" foden steam lorry. Measures 78 inchs by 28 inchs by 35 inchs.
Well i got it because i have limited space for tracks, (thus i decided to try road for a first). I'm trying to get the lorry road legal, but keep hitting dead ends, with the likes of the DVLA clueless on how too go about such things.
Is there anyone who could advise me?
regards
Adam
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jasonb
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Post by jasonb on May 18, 2011 17:30:30 GMT
Have a look on the model section of Traction Talk Forum, there are a couple of threads on there about the process of regestering a miniature for the road. I can't link directly as you need to do a simple sign up to view the messages. www.tractiontalkforum.com/You need a V55/4 and V627/1 from teh DVLA Jason |
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Post by albert on May 19, 2011 6:55:55 GMT
Hello Adam,
I have 4 taxed T/E,I take a photo--boiler test cert (current)and insurance cert. Do not take or mention the fact that the boiler was tested with cert when built as they will use this date to tax your engine.(as your lorry is not new that may be a problem to get a current plate,you may have to show the engine record card to get a tax cert to go with the age.
It seems that once some one at the office knows the task asked for taxing a steam vehicle all goes well
I did have a short delay on my first request,they rang Swansea who sorted the problem out.
I go to Sheffield tax office show them what I want and all goes well,they ask me to fill in 1 questionair and that is that.
Albert.
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Post by fostergp6nhp on May 19, 2011 21:52:45 GMT
When my Foster was registered the tax office were showed the original dated boiler test cert to avoid a Q or new style reg plate as i did not want either type.
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jeffo
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Post by jeffo on May 21, 2011 16:59:15 GMT
ahh i see, well i'll take a look at traction talk.
Thank you very much.
regards
Adam
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Post by ppplant on May 21, 2011 17:52:04 GMT
I took a photo into lincoln tax office. A young lady knew exactly what I wanted, gave m,e the correct form and helped me fill it in. She wanted the original test cert from the very first boiler test and an RTA insurance certificate. after that no problems. Sheffield will give a registration based on the current boiler test, Lincoln give one based on the original boiler build. Albert gets a brand new reg number, I got an age related one.Its a very simple process.
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Post by albert on May 23, 2011 9:08:24 GMT
Hello All,
Thinking of a cert for a new boiler supplied by the builder,this is not a full boiler test cert as a steam test has not been done.
As steam test can not be done until the machine is finished,then a cert by my/your club is the only boiler test which is complete then this is the cert you use to insure and tax your machine--so you should get a current reg.number.
If the tax office accepts the cert. from the boiler builder then they have dropped a clanger in my oppinion--this cert is no good to insure your machine--so you have to get a full test before you start to look at road tax.
By the time you have built your machine around the new boiler the cert will be useless due to its time running out.
OR AM I MISSING SOMETHING???
Albert
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Post by ppplant on May 23, 2011 22:43:42 GMT
Albert, I think that between us, we may have opened a can of worms!! I suspect that you are correct, at least I know that the club boiler tester has done his job, and I am happy that the boiler is safe, even if Swanseas paperwork is a bit suspect.
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Post by fostergp6nhp on May 26, 2011 20:49:41 GMT
The original hydraulic test cert proves when the boiler officially started to exist, so that is why DVLA will accept it.
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miken
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Post by miken on May 26, 2011 22:11:04 GMT
When I insured and registered my 6" Ruston P for the road a few weeks back , the biggest problem I had was with the insurance from Walker Midgely. The boiler came from the manufacturer with a hydraulic cert so I took it to my club for the steam test. This apparently is not good enough . The hydro and steam test must both be done by the same organisation. So it was back to the club for a new hydro test. WM then issued my insurance and NTET disc straight away.
Registering for the road was straight forward following the directions on Traction Talk. I took all the docs down to my local dvla office and paid my fee. I had to wait about 4 weeks but it all came back through the post and they didnt even want to inspect it. I now have a fully road legal traction engine wit a 2011 plate.
It seems that the test cert that comes with a new boiler has no value exept to prove that the boiler is fit to sell to the buyer. No-one else will recognise it unless it also comes with a steam test.Which it obviously wont.
Mike
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jasonb
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Post by jasonb on May 27, 2011 6:41:57 GMT
Any new engine or loco will need a 1 1/2 times hydro test once assembled, this will test all the steam joints like cylinder to boiler which obviously cannot be done at the time the boiler was made.
I'm surprized your club tester did not do a 1 1/2 hydro before doing the steam test.
Jason
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Post by albert on May 27, 2011 8:09:58 GMT
Hello,
If you look at your steam test cert it asks for your CURRENT hydraulic test cert number,so sorry Miken both you and your tester boobed,WM was only doing there job to check all certs so do not blame them for your failure to submit the correct paper work.
Albert.
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Post by fostergp6nhp on May 27, 2011 21:11:42 GMT
In the boiler test book from SF it says that if the build period exceeds the valid period of the original test cert that upon entering service a new 1 1/2 times hydro test might be called for at the boiler testers discretion. Which with the majority of traction engines having a large live joint under the cylinder it is a good idea even if the original test cert is still valid.
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