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Post by ron on Nov 3, 2006 20:38:03 GMT
Don't know if people are generally aware of this but as of the end of the year cellulose paint will join the list of banned substances.
Ron
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dscott
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Post by dscott on Nov 3, 2006 21:10:39 GMT
This is a shame as it is such a good product, can be sprayed in almost any weather, covers lots of material, hardly chips, can be cut back to a wonderful shine, and resists heat, my rocker cover did 100,000 miles and 2 engines in my M.G.B. and still looked good when I sold it. Ford red of course. Its the new friendly stuff that should be on the list, together with anything sharp or very hot.
Does this mean my wifes cooking should also be on the list!!!
David Scott.
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Post by chameleonrob on Nov 3, 2006 21:24:42 GMT
What sort of paint is being used to replace it and is it any good? or do we all buy loads of paint now for future projects? it might not be a bad idea stocking up on paint for touching up earlier projects as well
rob
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Post by the_viffer on Nov 4, 2006 9:09:34 GMT
I understood that cellulose was being withdrawn from sale for automotive use but will still be available for certain other uses. I have magazine article about it which I will try to dig up an precis. I have to confess to buying 20l of cellulose thinners from our local motor factors a couple of weeks ago on the basis that next year it will probably be harder and more expensive to obtain.
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Post by ron on Nov 4, 2006 12:20:59 GMT
It will still be possible to buy cellulose after the end of the year but it's availability will be restricted to people with a license, the details of which have not been worked out yet [surprise, surprise]
It looks like another ill thought out bit of legislation, the ban's coming into force but the consequences haven't been thought through.
It looks like thinners and primer might not be included but I'm not sure about that, I've bought a couple of gallons of thinners to be on the safe side as well.
Most of the alternatives to Cellulose have drawbacks, for spraying and aerosols acrylic is probably about the best bet, water based paints are too shiny and plasticky for my taste and two pack is downright dangerous even with a good quality mask, it really needs a breathing set.
Ron
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SteveW
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Post by SteveW on Nov 4, 2006 23:09:46 GMT
Guys,
I've been having a bad time with spray Hammerite. The other day I used cellulose thinner to for a quick surface wipe prior to another coat. The cellulose seemed to soften the surface and on coating the the effect was totally stuffed even though its been on nearly a month.
It's just that I thought the chemistry was one of the chlorinated varieties.
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Tony K
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Post by Tony K on Nov 5, 2006 9:03:08 GMT
Steve, over the years and many heartaches and frustration has demonstrated to me there aint no better rejector of other paints and substances than Hammerite. If any other substances are involved in any way, it is always best to use some sort of isolation coat, and even then it is dodgy.  Perhaps some of our better educated guys can help explain the reason, but that is my experience. It is very frustrating though - prepare properly, spray hammerite, then there is some sort of rejection happens to a small part of it - perhaps after 20mins! Then it's rub down again .  ... .... Regards, Tony. |
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Post by baggo on Nov 5, 2006 11:21:06 GMT
I think the main problem with Hammerite is that it's based on a different solvent (Xylene?) which probably explains it's incompatability with other paints.
I think Hammerite is very good for what it is really intended for - painting rusty metal! Such metal has a very rough surface which gives good adhesion. The blurb from Hammerite does say that clean metal must be roughened by sanding etc. before the paint is applied.
Personally I wouldn't consider using it for locos etc as there are other paints out there that are much better suited to the job,
John
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Post by the_viffer on Nov 6, 2006 14:19:16 GMT
I've looked out my copy of Practical Classics Nov 2006 which contains an article about cellulose paint. I've also looked at the law itself www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2005/uksi_20052773_en.pdf . As PC comment it will still be possible to buy cellulose paint up to 1 year after Jan 2007. The restriction doesn't apply to paint for decorative coatings, boats or aircraft and no licence is required for any of these applications. Additionally according to the SI it doesn't apply to paint supplied in aerosol form. |
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Post by gwrfan on Nov 6, 2006 14:58:17 GMT
Hi Guys,
Having read this 'news to me', I went to my local Auto shop today, to be told they are no longer allowed to sell cellulose thinners. I bought a can there only a couple of months ago! My son took his car for an MOT today, and I asked him to see if the proprietor could sell me some thinners, knowing they do lots of bodywork repairs. No problem, I just have to take in a suitable container! ;D
Geoff
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Post by ron on Nov 6, 2006 17:46:08 GMT
Geoff
If you go to an Auto paint factor you can still buy it in gallon tins, if you want it for general cleaning purposes ask for 'gun wash', it's the cheapest, if you want it for thinning paint ask for 'anti-bloom' thinners.
Ron
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Post by havoc on Nov 6, 2006 20:30:50 GMT
A club memeber that works at a garage tried some of the new water based car paints. He found out they could not cover like the old paints. They normally try the paint on a white plastic card with a black line through the middle to get an idea of the covering strenght. After 5 coats, still the line was visible using dark brown paint.
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