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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2014 0:47:14 GMT
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Post by ejparrott on Feb 6, 2014 16:45:37 GMT
In what sense?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2014 18:34:13 GMT
------------ I would have expected a hardback for that amount and more pages (only 112 @ A4 size ).....This has the feel of a handy table-top reference booklet rather than a library kept book proper.....On the back cover is the original published price of £14.95 but it's being retailed at £19.99 .........I'm glad I bought it but just feel that the original £14.95 was more in keeping with what you get......as I said, it's a TAD dear..not hugely overpriced... |
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Post by steambuff2 on Feb 6, 2014 20:56:46 GMT
Did you buy it from that link you posted? If you did it did say <112 pages. Large A4 size softback > in the listing. (And the £19.99 does include post and packing)
Dave
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Post by ejparrott on Feb 6, 2014 21:02:56 GMT
------------ I would have expected a hardback for that amount and more pages (only 112 @ A4 size ).....This has the feel of a handy table-top reference booklet rather than a library kept book proper.....On the back cover is the original published price of £14.95 but it's being retailed at £19.99 .........I'm glad I bought it but just feel that the original £14.95 was more in keeping with what you get......as I said, it's a TAD dear..not hugely overpriced... I see what you mean...think I agree too... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2014 21:33:01 GMT
Indeed I did buy it from the link shown, and had also seen the description etc..However reading about it is one thing---holding it in your hand is another..Looked at from a different angle angle let's say it was advertised at it's cover value of £14.95....and £5.04 as the P&P..Doesn't sound so bad that way I think.....As I said I'm happy with it,( whichever way you view it..so to speak. )......
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Post by davebreeze on Feb 6, 2014 22:05:35 GMT
Indeed I did buy it from the link shown, and had also seen the description etc..However reading about it is one thing---holding it in your hand is another..Looked at from a different angle angle let's say it was advertised at it's cover value of £14.95....and £5.04 as the P&P..Doesn't sound so bad that way I think.....As I said I'm happy with it,( whichever way you view it..so to speak. )...... Any use for modelling or is it mainly full-size based? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2014 22:35:13 GMT
It's mainly operational rather than dimensional.......Covers Rail, Stationary, Marine and even a Diesel Loco Steam-heat boiler( Spanner swirlyflo) with designs, test results, applications etc........
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Post by Roger on Feb 24, 2014 14:12:26 GMT
I bought that Australian boiler design code of practice that was mentioned in another thread, that's a really useful document.
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Post by waggy on Mar 7, 2014 16:52:31 GMT
Totally agree Roger,
Mine arrived yesterday, very useful and full of common sense.
Waggy.
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Post by Roger on Nov 21, 2014 14:35:37 GMT
Totally agree Roger, Mine arrived yesterday, very useful and full of common sense. Waggy. It's well worth the money, we should have something along those lines. |
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Post by Jim on Nov 24, 2014 9:33:50 GMT
I don't know how you operate in the UK Roger but the AMBSC codes do as you say, set out the parameters for us to design a boiler that will be safe and once the pressure and steam tests are passed they will be certificated as acceptable within Australia.
From a personal viewpoint The AMBSC Copper code allowed me to design a boiler for my 5"G Britannia, Boadicea that did not have a combustion chamber. The only reference I made to the original boiler design by J Perrier was for overall dimensions of the boiler which despite internal changes still had to fit the same space.
Jim
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Post by Roger on Nov 25, 2014 19:27:36 GMT
Hi Jim,
I'm immediately out of my depth with that question, but what I do know is that you'd be hard pressed to design a boiler using the code we have. It's not a clear pictorial guide that anyone could follow, it's nothing like your excellent book.
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Post by GeorgeRay on Nov 25, 2014 21:43:20 GMT
Roger
There is no UK code for designing a boiler, which is why you would be hard pressed to use it. The Green Book is a testing code nothing more. The Model Engineering Liaison Group (MELG)has, now that the insurers requirement been satisfied with the issue of the Green Book, had a discussion on the need for a UK design code. It appears however from the initial discussions that it looks like the MELG will only initially be arranging for advice on a particular design through the Northern Association of Model Engineers (NAME) boiler sub committee. This is of course would only be required for boilers that are not built in accordance with published designs either as a modification of a published design or a totally new design. Societies or Clubs affiliated to any of the NAME, Southern Federation of Model Engineering Societies, Midland Federation of Model Engineers and 7 1/4 gauge society should be aware of this. It is however not clear what else will be proposed I guess this will have to wait until the next meeting of the MELG. At the moment it is up to individual boiler inspectors to satisfy themselves that any unpublished design is safe from a theoretical point of view which is what really matters as far as the insurers are concerned. I believe that Cayennes book goes someway to provide a basis for this.
George
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Post by ejparrott on Nov 26, 2014 10:16:54 GMT
I've been campaigning for a British version of the Aus code for years, I've got the steel version for when I designed the original steel boiler for my engine and it's excellent, I've no doubt the copper version is too. Sadly I've been ignored so far, with the result that UK builders don't have any kind of guidelines on boiler design.
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Post by Roger on Nov 27, 2014 8:57:19 GMT
Roger There is no UK code for designing a boiler, which is why you would be hard pressed to use it. The Green Book is a testing code nothing more. The Model Engineering Liaison Group (MELG)has, now that the insurers requirement been satisfied with the issue of the Green Book, had a discussion on the need for a UK design code. It appears however from the initial discussions that it looks like the MELG will only initially be arranging for advice on a particular design through the Northern Association of Model Engineers (NAME) boiler sub committee. This is of course would only be required for boilers that are not built in accordance with published designs either as a modification of a published design or a totally new design. Societies or Clubs affiliated to any of the NAME, Southern Federation of Model Engineering Societies, Midland Federation of Model Engineers and 7 1/4 gauge society should be aware of this. It is however not clear what else will be proposed I guess this will have to wait until the next meeting of the MELG. At the moment it is up to individual boiler inspectors to satisfy themselves that any unpublished design is safe from a theoretical point of view which is what really matters as far as the insurers are concerned. I believe that Cayennes book goes someway to provide a basis for this. George Thanks George, They could do a lot worse than become bedfellows with the Australian group and just pay a small fee each year for the use of theirs. What's the point in reinventing the wheel? I'm sure our requirements are virtually identical to theirs. |
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Post by ejparrott on Nov 27, 2014 12:05:46 GMT
As fas as I can see, they're identical! We build small boilers and need them to operate safely, so do they!
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Post by GeorgeRay on Nov 27, 2014 12:15:26 GMT
I agree that if our insurers, Royal Sun Alliance in the case of NAME and Southern Fed, are happy with the Australian Code then why reinvent the wheel. However it is they who will call the shots not us model engineers so don't hold your breath.;-)
George
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Post by Jim on Nov 28, 2014 23:41:44 GMT
Viewed from afar it seems strange that Royal Sun Insurance wouldn't accept a set of codes that are regularly reviewed and updated and have the approval and acceptance of relevant government agencies here. Insurance company wise if you're not an AALS member with a current AMBSC boiler ticket you're not covered.
Jim
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