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Jan 9, 2014 7:25:14 GMT
Post by ejparrott on Jan 9, 2014 7:25:14 GMT
You could work out the coordinates and turn in stages, then blend with a file. I still do similar at work.
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Jan 9, 2014 8:26:33 GMT
Post by Roger on Jan 9, 2014 8:26:33 GMT
You could work out the coordinates and turn in stages, then blend with a file. I still do similar at work. I guess you could call that MNC, Manual Numerical Control. I presume you'd use the compound slide as the X-axis if there isn't a DRO? I'd be inclined to use a spreadsheet to provide the measurements in a form that are easy to use with the dials if you use that method. It might be worth looking to see if anyone has done a modification to the Myford top slide to let if turn round. Is it only the fixing bolts that stop it turning all the way round? Maybe you can remove them to let it turn through 360 degrees and then use a 'G' clamp or similar purpose made arrangement to stop it from turning?
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Jan 9, 2014 9:41:09 GMT
Post by RGR 60130 on Jan 9, 2014 9:41:09 GMT
I have hit a problem though, I can't work out a way to turn the 9 degree angle on the back of the buffer heads, the compound slide in the myford won't go round anywhere near that far! Any ideas chaps and chapesses? I know it's possible but I can't remember how I did it. Possible options are: Move the buffers out of the chuck jaws just enough to get a narrow tool into the space between the buffer head and the jaws. Turn between centres which might give you more space to get the tool down the back, depending on the thickness of your drive dog (do this while both buffer heads are still together as one). Put a tool in the toolpost upside down and do your machining operation on the back side of the job. Reg
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Jan 9, 2014 9:56:09 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2014 9:56:09 GMT
Hi Ben
If you have a triangular insert tool with a large enough tip why not set the tool so that the tip edge is at 9 degrees and just do a straight cut... hope that makes sense... For the front dish if you take a look at my thread on page 16 you can see how I did mine which basically involves a short length of steel bar turned to a point either end, a point centre punched on both the headstock and the cross slide for the steel bar to sit between. With the cross slide longitudinally set so that the bar can not fit between slide and headstock ( this setting will depend on curve of dish required) you will find that as you turn the cross slide in it will force the longitude position out from the head and thus create the dish. I wish I could take credit for this great idea but alas it was someone else's , alas I forget who's idea this is although John (baggo) pointed me in the right direction.
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Pete
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Jan 10, 2014 12:02:19 GMT
Post by drumkilbo on Jan 10, 2014 12:02:19 GMT
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Jan 10, 2014 17:16:16 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2014 17:16:16 GMT
Yes, that is very pleasing to the eye !!------ I know Steamdays from a few years ago and have no problems with them at all.........just wish this "price coyness" was done away with and the asking amount shown, like any other trader.....................I've just had a second look at it..I DO like that a lot !!!--------------
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Jan 10, 2014 20:25:56 GMT
Post by drumkilbo on Jan 10, 2014 20:25:56 GMT
Yes, I've always been puzzled by the POA bit....just state the price and have done with it. Don't like the green wheels though [maybe that loco had green wheels, I don't know enough about LNER in BR days stuff to know] but the rest looks superb! A close friend and neighbour of mine, sadly long gone to the scrapyard, used to tell me about firing the V2s on the fish trains from Aberdeen, he was based at Dundee Tay Brig shed and left in the 50s to join the Polis.
Ian
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Jan 10, 2014 21:36:15 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2014 21:36:15 GMT
.........just wish this "price coyness" was done away with and the asking amount shown, like any other trader........... Reminds me of the classic quote from the Rolls-Royce showroom: "If you need to ask the price sir, you can't afford it!" BTW the wheels were black in BR days.
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Jan 10, 2014 23:25:21 GMT
Post by jma1009 on Jan 10, 2014 23:25:21 GMT
Oooh a K.J. Cook altered V2... now that would be something!!
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Jan 11, 2014 11:10:58 GMT
Post by uuu on Jan 11, 2014 11:10:58 GMT
Reminds me of restaurants where the man gets a menu with prices and the woman without.
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Jan 11, 2014 12:35:38 GMT
Post by jma1009 on Jan 11, 2014 12:35:38 GMT
hi ben, the copper capped chimney on 60854 lasted a few months in 1952 after kenneth cook transferred to doncaster from swindon. i think the only pic is in his book 'Swindon Steam'. an excellent read btw which also describes how kenneth cook was the originator of the EARLS/DUKEDOGS whilst assistant works manager at swindon. cheers, julian
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Jan 11, 2014 15:16:36 GMT
Post by gwr7800 on Jan 11, 2014 15:16:36 GMT
Hi all it does seem a bit strange not listing the price of steamdays locos however I did email him a short time ago ref a 5inch black five and got a prompt reply, yes it was expensive but it doesn't hurt to ask! Normal disclaimers apply regards Chris
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Jan 13, 2014 9:21:13 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2014 9:21:13 GMT
Mmm very nice! Hagley, go on, you know you want to! Come to the dark side! You could renumber it to 60854 and put on the aforementioned short lived Swindon copper capped chimney if it makes you feel better?? ------------------------Ha-ha !!...But in terms of Green then I'm already "On the dark side "....
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Jan 13, 2014 18:48:01 GMT
Post by JDEng on Jan 13, 2014 18:48:01 GMT
Hi Julian, Ah thanks for that info, I don't suppose you have said book and could post a pic of the chimney could you? I'd love to see it! Cheers Ben Ben, I'd agree with Julian about "Swindon Steam", it is a cracking book but (!!); although it's filled with pictures of copper capped chimnies I can't find one with a V2 attached to it. My book's a first edition, I don't know if it was reprinted and possibly the picture is in a later edition or whether Julian has seen the picture somewhere else. John.
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Jan 13, 2014 22:40:31 GMT
Post by jma1009 on Jan 13, 2014 22:40:31 GMT
im afraid my copy of 'Swindon Steam' by K.J. Cook was loaned to a 'friend' and ive never had it back very annoying as it's quite a rare book. i have definitely seen a pic of same in a book - i can almost see the page and pic as i type! cant remeber what book, unless it was one of the E.S. Cox books, also rather rare and out of print. might possibly have been the RCTS LNER series. cheers, julian
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Jan 13, 2014 23:10:04 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2014 23:10:04 GMT
Did a Google search and found this.......
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Jan 13, 2014 23:12:49 GMT
Post by jma1009 on Jan 13, 2014 23:12:49 GMT
well done superseven, though it's not the pic i was thinking of. the one i can remember was taken outside the erecting shop at doncaster and was a traditional 3/4 view, with a bity of emphasise by the cameraman on the front end/chimney!. cheers, julian
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Jan 14, 2014 0:14:44 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2014 0:14:44 GMT
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Jan 14, 2014 13:25:19 GMT
Post by RGR 60130 on Jan 14, 2014 13:25:19 GMT
Cheers superseven, I like the look of that! If I can get a better clearer pic of it then thats it settled, I'm doing 60854! Oh I can almost hear the grumbling already! As a dyed in the grain LNER fan I quite like the idea of a LNER loco discharging it's waste products through a GWR orifice
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Jan 14, 2014 20:51:07 GMT
Post by gateman49 on Jan 14, 2014 20:51:07 GMT
As a dyed in the wool GW fan I won't rise to the last post except to state that, just as Stanier and others took Swindon practice elsewhere, it's pleasing to note that, even after nationalisation, Riddles asked Cook to become M & E E of the Eastern and North Eastern Regions! Anyway, my copy of his book is also a 1st edition from 1974 (was there ever a 2nd?). As the book is entitled Swindon Steam I doubt that there was a picture of a V2 in that book. In any event, the only mention of this event is in the Epilogue where he states that someone from the 'Kremlin" (BR HQ) told him to take it off as he had committed an act of aggression! He goes on to state that it was a pity as it embellished a drab looking loco and it caused sorrow at Doncaster when it was removed! Didn't I read somewhere that the Swindon reject tolerances were the starting tolerances for other railways? ? On the other hand as a gesture of reconciliation I must state that one of my favourite DVDs has a recording from the footplate of Green Arrow (deputising for Sir Nigel Gresley) on a special with ten on to Plymouth. In the run the train maked it over Dainton with some ease (and some emotion on the footplate) but was brought to a dead stand by signals at Totnes with no chance of a run at Rattery bank. Of course it successfully restarted and made it to the top even if it took a long while!
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