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Oily Rag Statesman Posts: 844	The Oily Rag's excitment Sept 19, 2019 20:59:42 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Oily Rag on Sept 19, 2019 20:59:42 GMT My little camera is ill, hence the pink tinge. A new one is on its way.
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Oily Rag Statesman Posts: 844	The Oily Rag's excitment Sept 20, 2019 22:04:40 GMT Roger and runner42 like this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Oily Rag on Sept 20, 2019 22:04:40 GMT 1001 uses for small cut off discs, I just love em!
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The Oily Rag's excitment Sept 20, 2019 22:12:12 GMT timo likes this

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Sept 20, 2019 22:04:40 GMT Oily Rag said:

1001 uses for small cut off discs, I just love em!

So do I, provided they are not the cheap and nasty ones which turn to dust immediately upon first use!

Dremel Rules, OK?
John

Last Edit: Sept 20, 2019 22:13:45 GMT by simplyloco

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The Oily Rag's excitment Sept 20, 2019 23:31:57 GMT Cro likes this

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Post by twombo on Sept 20, 2019 23:31:57 GMT

Dazza, what is that device holding the drill and tap. Does it. Provide sensitive controll for drilling and tapping? I must have one! do you have a source?

Adds much to the living with 10ba, i am sure!

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The Oily Rag's excitment Sept 21, 2019 20:20:41 GMT uuu, David, and 3 more like this

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At the world wide head quarters of the Llewellyn Locomotive Works the drawing staff generated a plot to chain drill the front foot plate. It may seem fussy but it makes the final hand filing smooth and easy. One has to love DRO on the mill drill.

After zero progress on the little loco and the POR garden railway it was nice to bolt this part on with 8 BA hex. No slotted screws are allowed to be seen on the exterior of this loco.

Saddle casting and the completion of the cab foot plate are the next steps, then the smoke box so the boiler can be trial fitted to the frames.

Cheers Dazza (Darrell McCulloch)
“There is a small steam engine in his brain which not only sets the cerebral mass in motion, but keeps the owner in hot water.”
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The Oily Rag's excitment Sept 21, 2019 20:34:59 GMT

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Sept 20, 2019 23:31:57 GMT twombo said:

Dazza, what is that device holding the drill and tap. Does it. Provide sensitive controll for drilling and tapping? I must have one! do you have a source?

Adds much to the living with 10ba, i am sure!

That Mary Valley is a treasure! In the land of the Southern Cross! oh My!

Mick

Mick, inspired by Brian Wilson's book "Steam trains in your Garden" and his descriptions I made mine from stainless steel and what ever was about. Pics and text are on page one of this thread. I also made a small die holder as well. Pics and text on page three of this thread. Due to the different sizes of tap shanks I use 1/4" mild round and make little collets of varying holes drilled in them to fit snugly over the tap shanks. Most annoying as even the best quality ones have diameters that will vary a surprising amount. Also a few taps are rejected as they have too much run-out, bowed etc. I have used this tool with 12 BA, yet to do 14 BA :-) These are some of the useful tools I have ever made and will last my life time and some one will inherit them when I am compost.

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Oily Rag Statesman Posts: 844	The Oily Rag's excitment Sept 22, 2019 21:36:04 GMT David, jon38r80, and 1 more like this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Oily Rag on Sept 22, 2019 21:36:04 GMT Clean up the bottom of the new smoke box saddle casting. Sanity marks before using the DRO. Trimming the 10 BA hex bolts. Fit up
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Oily Rag Statesman Posts: 844	The Oily Rag's excitment Sept 22, 2019 21:54:56 GMT dhamblin, RGR 60130, and 4 more like this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Oily Rag on Sept 22, 2019 21:54:56 GMT Dropped the kettle in to see how it looked
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44767 Statesman Posts: 539	The Oily Rag's excitment Sept 22, 2019 23:14:21 GMT Oily Rag likes this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by 44767 on Sept 22, 2019 23:14:21 GMT Hi Darrell, That's good progress on the casting! I'm interested to know how it machines. Is it like a half hard brass with stringy swarf or more like a gunmetal? Cheers, Mike
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The Oily Rag's excitment Sept 23, 2019 0:17:52 GMT Cro likes this

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Sept 22, 2019 23:14:21 GMT 44767 said:

Hi Darrell,
That's good progress on the casting! I'm interested to know how it machines. Is it like a half hard brass with stringy swarf or more like a gunmetal?
Cheers,
Mike

Yep, just like you said, for my one mill and drill and tap operations. I have to contemplate the machining for the smoke box, if I knew the casting was as good as it is I would have not bothered with the machining allowance.

Last Edit: Sept 24, 2019 21:50:20 GMT by Oily Rag

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stevep Elder Statesman Posts: 1,073	The Oily Rag's excitment Sept 23, 2019 9:36:19 GMT Oily Rag and Roger like this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by stevep on Sept 23, 2019 9:36:19 GMT Looking great Dazza!
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The Oily Rag's excitment Sept 23, 2019 21:15:54 GMT Roger, jon38r80, and 1 more like this

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In hindsight I would have recessed the front tube plate deeper into the boiler barrel so the smoke box could be attached in a more traditional method, of rivets, screws etc but ................... So I have have hatched a plan to use the super heater attachments to pull and secure the smoke box to the barrel. Unlike the original (vague) drawings I am going for a fixed smoke box/boiler to the saddle and allow the expansion back wards in the frames, as like full size locos. Fixed at the rear and expansion movement forwards into the fixed smoke box/saddle seems a strange way to do it ? ! Considering that joint will foul up, even seize with the muck in the box and or keeping the joint air tight for good steaming, it just did not make sense. A reminder it is all a design and metal working exercise for the locos to come. The material is LG2 bronze a friend had left over, in payment for this material I brazed up some more full size loco motion oil pots that were needed as spares for the Rattler's 974 and 967.

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The Oily Rag's excitment Sept 25, 2019 21:14:09 GMT Roger, steamer5, and 1 more like this

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Parted off the bronze smoke box barrel. Worked out some of the next steps, checked the drawings via sectioned view of the smoke box assembly and prepared another lump of bronze.

Slow but incremental progress.

While in the Red Room MAM shows me another one of her Orchids doing its thing.

Last Edit: Sept 25, 2019 21:18:11 GMT by Oily Rag

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The Oily Rag's excitment Sept 26, 2019 21:38:46 GMT Roger, jon38r80, and 2 more like this

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A trepanning type of cut. I originally ground this parting tool blade for use on the driving wheels. The pics would be here earlier in this thread.

Cooking up the smoke box to disc.

A nice meniscus of silver on the other side.

The reason for all this will become apparent as time goes by, however it is all due to inadequate published drawings and details, and I missed the detail that was missing.

Last Edit: Sept 26, 2019 21:55:24 GMT by Oily Rag

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Oily Rag Statesman Posts: 844	The Oily Rag's excitment Sept 27, 2019 19:23:28 GMT Roger, David, and 3 more like this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Oily Rag on Sept 27, 2019 19:23:28 GMT Red Room action last night, some progress on the smoke box after it was pickled in the Citric tub.
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The Oily Rag's excitment Sept 28, 2019 8:07:40 GMT uuu, Roger, and 5 more like this

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Saw and files

5/16" HSS rough out on the bench grinder, then a few passes on the cutter/grinder for a special boring bar

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Clean out the smoke box to boiler barrel joint.

It all fits with the super heater header in place

Getting ready to fly cut the saddle

Boring head in action

Last Edit: Sept 28, 2019 8:14:06 GMT by Oily Rag

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Oily Rag Statesman Posts: 844	The Oily Rag's excitment Sept 28, 2019 8:10:49 GMT chester, peteh, and 8 more like this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Oily Rag on Sept 28, 2019 8:10:49 GMT In the frames
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The Oily Rag's excitment Sept 28, 2019 8:20:58 GMT Oily Rag likes this

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Post by Roger on Sept 28, 2019 8:20:58 GMT

That looks superb, you've been busy! It's great to finally get a boiler and frame together and get the first impression of what it will finally look like. You can start to feel that the end of the project is actually possible now.

stevep Elder Statesman Posts: 1,073	The Oily Rag's excitment Sept 28, 2019 8:27:14 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by stevep on Sept 28, 2019 8:27:14 GMT Excellent work Gazza. How about some details of that lathe tool height gauge?
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The Oily Rag's excitment Sept 28, 2019 9:08:16 GMT

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Sept 28, 2019 8:27:14 GMT stevep said:

Excellent work Gazza.

How about some details of that lathe tool height gauge?

Hi Steve
May I ask why? The EMCO centre height from the saddle is 108mm dead, so I use the vernier caliper depth gauge to set my tools. Besides, I have nowhere to put extra gauges these days...

John

Last Edit: Sept 28, 2019 9:09:16 GMT by simplyloco

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