oldnorton
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Post by oldnorton on Dec 19, 2020 9:17:36 GMT
Thanks for posting those, Nobby, very nice to see. Of interest to Britannia Builders is the extra valve seen mounted directly above the vacuum valve on the pedestal - I'm assuming this might be the air brakes, assuming Oliver Cromwell has them fitted?, or is it an additional ATC/AWS automatic valve on the vacuum? Apologies Mike for chatting about some else's photos on your thread. Norm |
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barlowworks
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Post by barlowworks on Dec 19, 2020 11:15:04 GMT
No problem Norm, the more comments the better. If we all learn something from Nobbys excellent photos it will be no bad thing. I had noticed the extra valve, this is the location of the ATC gear on the photo by Don9F earlier in this thread so it is curious. Perhaps someone can comment.
Mike
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barlowworks
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Post by barlowworks on Dec 19, 2020 11:22:48 GMT
I got to climb all over Ollie when it was in the shed at the Great Central a few years back. Very impressive machines. I asked one of the guys in the shed if I could take a few photos and he said “help your self, just don’t fall off, the paperwork would be horrendous”. Mike I get told the same when at the Bluebell! Most full size guys love what we do so always very encouraging when I want to know more, Adam I fully agree. When I built my O gauge steam crane I took it to show the guys at the Keithley and Worth Valley railway who were doing a lift with their crane. They were fascinated and with the help of a donation to their beer fund were more than happy to do any sound recordings I asked for. 😉 Mike |
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Post by don9f on Dec 19, 2020 11:42:45 GMT
Thanks for posting those, Nobby, very nice to see. Of interest to Britannia Builders is the extra valve seen mounted directly above the vacuum valve on the pedestal - I'm assuming this might be the air brakes, assuming Oliver Cromwell has them fitted?, or is it an additional ATC/AWS automatic valve on the vacuum? Apologies Mike for chatting about some else's photos on your thread. Norm Hi, at the time of those photos, Oliver Cromwell doesn’t appear to have been fitted with air braking equipment....don’t know if it is now? The extra valve referred to is the vacuum application valve, by which the AWS/TPWS system applies the vacuum brakes if necessary. The loco’s steam brakes would also apply via the graduable steam brake valve. Cheers Don |
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JonL
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Post by JonL on Dec 19, 2020 14:05:55 GMT
It was 23rd of September 2018 at Shildon.
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Post by dhamblin on Dec 19, 2020 22:34:35 GMT
70013 is vacuum brake only and 70000 is dual air and vacuum brake, hence the air pump tucked inside the fireman's side smoke deflector.
Regards,
Dan
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Post by Andrew C on Dec 21, 2020 17:59:18 GMT
Mike You can never have enough photos! There are a number of Photos here www.fraserker.com/britannia/ Taken of Britannia before here last rebuild. Well worth a nose through. Regards, Andrew |
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barlowworks
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Post by barlowworks on Dec 21, 2020 23:02:25 GMT
Thank you Andrew, Jim in Australia pointed that album out to me but as you say you can never have enough photos.
Mike
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Post by Jim on Dec 21, 2020 23:17:27 GMT
Hi Mike, I'm not sure if I also mentioned these three books which which I found invaluable for the photos and information they contained.
cheers
Jim
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barlowworks
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Post by barlowworks on Dec 22, 2020 8:25:36 GMT
2 out of 3 for me Jim, I’ll have to track down the Photographic Accompanyment book. Maybe a late job for Father Christmas. 😉
Mike
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Post by barlowworks on Dec 24, 2020 15:16:06 GMT
Hi Everybody. I managed to sneak a few hours in the workshop so here is a quick update before Christmas. Having started at the front I decided to continue by fitting the footplate angles and the front footplate bracket, simple fitting jobs making sure everything lined up and was square. I decided to fit them with 10ba round head screws, my riveting skills still need a lot of work.
The workshop is now closed up for Christmas so from Barlow Works can I wish you all a Merry Christmas and a New Year that is a least a bit better than the last one.
All the best and be safe.
Mike
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Post by timb on Dec 24, 2020 15:24:31 GMT
Best wishes to you and yours Mike, Hope to see you around the club sometime next year!!
Stay safe.
Tim
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Post by robgreenwood2018 on Dec 25, 2020 22:20:14 GMT
Fantastic work as always! Can’t wait to see it progress ext year, best wishes to you and your family.
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barlowworks
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Post by barlowworks on Jan 2, 2021 12:38:43 GMT
Hi Everybody, more detailing nonsense from Barlow Works. Here, on Britannia we have the greasing point and what I assume is an oiling point to the front of the cylinders. It is like no other on the engine, having a slot in the top and not a lid (if that is so its not a particularly good idea being right next to the bogie wheels). If anyone knows what it is please let me know.
Here I have had a go at replicating these features, again purely for decoration.
It's quite possible 90% of people will never spot these but if it puts a smile on the faces of the remaining 10% then I'm happy. On the other hand, if the 10% think I'm being pretentious then I will be the one smiling.  I must get on with something a bit more serious soon, I'm running out of detailing bits.
All the best
Mike
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2021 12:42:13 GMT
There's nothing 'nonsense' about adding a little detail Mike... that looks, superb sir..the more the better is my motto......  Pete |
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Post by Cro on Jan 2, 2021 14:02:24 GMT
Mike,
I may have some of these oil trays, 2 & 3 feed in the workshop if you would like them? I have had them for ages so willing to let them go if someone can use them? Also have castings for grease blocks if you ever need more.
Sales pitch over, sorry! I’ll happily admit I’m in the 10% though!
Adam
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barlowworks
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Post by barlowworks on Jan 2, 2021 14:14:59 GMT
Hi Adam, so it’s an oil tray, must admit I’ve never seen one before. To leave it open at the top seems a bit dim considering the muck that must come up from the bogie wheels. Thank you for your kind offer but I can only find these 2 and I’ve already made them (Sod’s law). I must admit I do like making these small details.
Regards
Mike
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Post by don9f on Jan 2, 2021 17:20:33 GMT
I’m not so familiar with Britannias, but with the oil tray in that photo, you would think the hinged lid is missing! I also find it hard to believe that an oiling point would be open like that....it’s no doubt something to do with the lubrication of the bogie side control.
Cheers Don
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barlowworks
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Post by barlowworks on Jan 2, 2021 20:24:14 GMT
I’d not thought of that. So it’s even more authentic then. 😉
Mike
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Post by barlowworks on Jan 3, 2021 11:18:09 GMT
Well, back to the oil tray conundrum. Here is a shot from Nobby's excellent album of the offending oil tray on Oliver Cromwell looking pretty much the same, so it does not appear to be a missing lid. Still a daft idea in my book.  nobby.jpg by Michael Cawthorne, on Flickr |
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I must get on with something a bit more serious soon, I'm running out of detailing bits.