beekay50
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Post by beekay50 on May 6, 2018 11:05:51 GMT
I am curious to know if anybody has an explanation for the Hornby Black Five 4657 in what appears to be Crimson Lake. I have seen threads referring to green and blue colour but no reference to crimson lake only the general comment that Black is preferred but I do like Crimson Lake, I painted my Heilan Lassie Crimson Lake and she looks awesome. Apologies to the purists but I am not a rivet counter or one too insist on prototypical authenticity but would be interested to know the background just in case I make 4657 my prototype. Ok I should have built a Jubilee but the Black Five has a place in my heart.
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Post by 92220 on May 6, 2018 11:20:55 GMT
Neither the LMS or British railways painted a Black 5 in Crimson. However, preservation societies do apply non prototypical liveries and The Great Central has painted a 8F in LMS Crimson livery. There may well be a Black 5 in Crimson in preservation but there never was one in service.
Bob.
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beekay50
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Post by beekay50 on May 6, 2018 12:32:31 GMT
Bob,
Thanks for that it seems that the Hornby model was a figment of somebody's imagination as it seems that there was never a Black Five numbered 4657, according to Wikipedia numbering started at 4658. Still I have a long time to decide what colour to choose only just coming up to the first run on air, possibly in a couple of months time. If anybody knows of a Black Five in preservation painted crimson I would like to know so I can have a look see.
Cheers
Keith
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2018 13:55:43 GMT
Hi Keith I found this one (5407)in preservation searching google , looks red to me, I have no idea what the livery is though??  cheers Pete |
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Post by 92220 on May 6, 2018 16:23:04 GMT
Hi Pete. That is one weird livery!! With the Black lining and Red wheels, it certainly isn't either LMS or BR livery! The colour actually reminds me of the Furness Railway loco colour that I supplied them years ago, but the lining isn't Furness lining. This is the photo they sent me when they painted the loco. The colour looks similar.  Bob. |
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Post by pault on May 6, 2018 21:14:54 GMT
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Post by jools on May 7, 2018 2:27:46 GMT
I had slight thought into finishing my black 5 in a green, although not overly enamoured with the Apple green as I associate that with LNER.
Then I got to thinking of changing the build a Jubilee to have crimson as an option, which begged the question as to what the main differences are between the black 5 and Jubilees ?
edit: apart from larger driving wheels, boiler, taller chimney and the extra cylinder that is, externally they look very similar.
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Post by 92220 on May 7, 2018 7:43:11 GMT
Hi Paul.
I looked at your link. Thanks for finding it. Marshal5 got it right. British Railways did paint 3 locos Green, L.N.E.R. Doncaster Green, Southern Post War Malachite Green and G.W.R. Loco Green. I should have remembered these because when I think back to when I had contact with the BR Surface Coatings Lab in Derby, they told me about these 3 locos that were painted the different, old railway colour, Greens, and put on show to get public reaction, and I had completely forgotten about them. My excuse is that it was around the mid 1970s that they told me about them and I've been to sleep a couple, or so, times since then!!
Bob.
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Post by Midland on May 7, 2018 7:55:51 GMT
Hi Keith I found this one (5407)in preservation searching google , looks red to me, I have no idea what the livery is though?? cheers Pete Hi Pete That is a horrible sight! Crimson lake is a maroon-ish colour whereas that looks like a London bus!!!!! D PS Just a pomposity to start the Monday! |
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Post by dhamblin on May 7, 2018 7:59:04 GMT
Apply rule no. 1 - it will after all be your loco. 45699 'Galatea' has been operating for all of its current boiler ticket in BR crimson, yet the Jubilee's were never painted like that by BR.
I had a scan of a painting somewhere that showed a King, A4 and Bullied Pacific all painted BR crimson - very smart it looked too.
Regards,
Dan
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Post by Tony K on May 7, 2018 8:25:58 GMT
Isn't there a clue in the name folks?
That said, if you own a loco, I think you can have it in the colour you want, without any comment from anyone else.
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Post by barlowworks on May 7, 2018 8:49:34 GMT
I think GWR green would look good. If you could find the number of the loco painted for the test then it would stop all the "excuse me" merchants in their tracks. Either that or tell them it's a experimental small wheeled mixed traffic Jubilee prototype that was never put into production. Said with a straight face it would fool a lot of people. 😏.
Mike
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Post by rrmrd66 on May 7, 2018 9:12:56 GMT
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Post by doubletop on May 7, 2018 9:57:55 GMT
I've just done the outside of my house with Resene paints. The house looks fine but I don't think the colour would suit a loco Pete |
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Post by jools on May 8, 2018 22:38:27 GMT
I think GWR green would look good. If you could find the number of the loco painted for the test then it would stop all the "excuse me" merchants in their tracks. Either that or tell them it's a experimental small wheeled mixed traffic Jubilee prototype that was never put into production. Said with a straight face it would fool a lot of people. 😏. Mike I suppose that is the difficult part, finding the numbers of the locos used for this "peoples choice" test. I expect some photos will exist somewhere from some promotional material........ |
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Post by jools on May 8, 2018 22:48:46 GMT
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Post by beekay50 on May 10, 2018 10:40:29 GMT
Pete many thanks for the "red " black five but it looks more like red oxide primer, think I'll stick with Crimson Lake, Hornby's 4657 will be my prototype. If anybody poo poos the colour I'll quote the same number see if anybody knows that BR never had a Black Five with that number. Love the virtual modeling Jools I'll keep that on file, maybe they could re colour it crimson Lake?
Cheers
Keith
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Post by Tony K on May 12, 2018 9:58:59 GMT
Pete many thanks for the "red " black five but it looks more like red oxide primer, think I'll stick with Crimson Lake, Hornby's 4657 will be my prototype. If anybody poo poos the colour I'll quote the same number see if anybody knows that BR never had a Black Five with that number. Love the virtual modeling Jools I'll keep that on file, maybe they could re colour it crimson Lake? Cheers. Keith Keith it's your engine - have it what colour you wish. "If anyone poo poos the colour" - you do not have to defend your decision - ask them what colour theirs is. Works for other loco-related comments from armchair modellers too! |
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Post by stevep on May 16, 2018 16:40:59 GMT
When I built my Stanier 2-6-4T, I numbered it 2495, as my research showed that the class only ran up to 2494. It meant I never got troubled by "Excuse me, but....."
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Post by silverfox on May 16, 2018 17:16:33 GMT
Whist i agree with the comment my loco my rules.. I do wonder sometimes about builders who do some superb work and then have a brain fart at the last moment
If it is a freelance or industrial loco then yes anything goes ,but i have seen a lovely 5in P2 Great workmanship, nice paint job 2006 'Cock o' the North' on facebook
Why just why???
I suppose Rule 1 applies
I bet Peter isnt going to number his A3 4479 and call it Dick Turpin
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