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Post by ettingtonliam on May 22, 2019 10:24:52 GMT
Is it rare? Maybe 2 people both thought they could sort out its problems and get it running. You didn't fancy it for your mantlepiece?
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Post by Roger on May 22, 2019 11:14:07 GMT
Presumably it's rare, but for the life of me I can't see anyone would pay that sort of money even for a working OO gauge locomotive. Each to their own I guess.
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Post by ettingtonliam on May 22, 2019 11:56:33 GMT
Each to his own is right. One of the wrecked locos from the Stamford exhibition was valued at £8000, so around £250 for the Great Bear doesn't look excessive. Not that I would pay that either.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2019 12:30:52 GMT
Each to his own is right. One of the wrecked locos from the Stamford exhibition was valued at £8000, so around £250 for the Great Bear doesn't look excessive. Not that I would pay that either. agree, some of these smaller scale loco's command a high value, I'm not into 00 anymore so out of touch but can see how some models would be expensive to those not in the hobby, mind you a loco with wheels that don't turn is IMHO pushing it a little at that price. As for £8k?, this amount of money for a 00 I find very hard to grasp. Pete
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Post by delaplume on May 22, 2019 15:53:07 GMT
Last year I paid £40 for an O gauge Bear tender on it's own-----It's proved helpful regarding the brake cylinder / rigging etc. but there's no way I'd pay that sort of money for a non-working OO gauge model....Something very odd there !!
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Post by delaplume on Jun 25, 2019 15:17:59 GMT
Into June and nothing much to report this month,..........
I've started some work towards building the 2 tender bogies ( apart from the 4 wheelsets shown earlier ) but most spare time now is devoted to helping run trains at various club tracks......
One thing that I missed out on was a report by someone on here of some photos of No.111 in a railway magazine.........Alas I wasn't able to get into town to have a look........Did anyone buy that mag and might like to sell it on ??
Alan
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Post by Midland on Jun 26, 2019 12:57:52 GMT
Isn't that monster dead yet? Even the GWR wanted it purged from history IIRC. D
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Post by delaplume on Jun 26, 2019 19:37:45 GMT
Isn't that monster dead yet? Even the GWR wanted it purged from history IIRC. D Now now David-----behave yourself, there's a good chap !! PS}--- by the way your avatar photo is a direct descendant of No.111.......
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Post by JonL on Jun 26, 2019 21:56:05 GMT
Isn't that monster dead yet? Even the GWR wanted it purged from history IIRC. D Alan's locomotive? Bit harsh? Slow progress is still progress Alan, something I've had to tell myself repeatedly over the past few weeks.
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Post by delaplume on Jun 27, 2019 0:33:00 GMT
Hi Nobby,
Don't worry too much about our dear friend Mr."Midland" ( David )....I suspect he's been at the Red wine again.....Bless!!.........
My reference to his avatar photo is quite simple}---- It wasn't until one of G.J.Churchward's top men --- a certain Mr. William Stanier ----- went to Crewe to become the Chief Mechanical Engineer of the LMS that their overall performance began to improve......For instance he dispensed with the then established practice of using one-piece cast Bronze axleboxes which were prone to run hot and replaced them with a composite Cast Steel main body with removable Bronze Horn slippers and Crown piece...These 3 items were then white-metalled to provide the bearing surfaces....Loco availability improved drastically as turn-around times between "Shopping" lengthened ....
A close study of the principal dimensions of the Bear and a Princess for example will show a lineage connection---- but remember the Bear was designed in 1906/7.......ie}--BEFORE the Titanic was even thought about !!
From the very beginning I've always made it clear that it is a "Back burner" project and this thread can only reflect that..
Cheers .......... Alan
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Post by delaplume on Jul 4, 2019 20:11:23 GMT
Oh well--------July has crept up in full stealth mode !!
As mentioned before I've been actively supporting the Rugeley Nomads efforts and have visited quite a few different clubs during this first half of 2019....What with that and a set of Simplex wheels to re-machine and re-fit I'm afraid dear old Bear has been languishing up a headshunt at the moment !!
However the loco bogie could be assembled I suppose now that I've got the axles at 90 degrees ( ish ) to the centre line ( A manufacturing error on my part back in the early days that I'd forgotten to rectify --all OK now though...
Here's an idea for this month}---
A Bear hunt !!
When you are out and about can anyone tell me where there is a model of The Great Bear, or any items associated with it ??-----------Anything at all, it doesn't matter..
To start off then}--- There's a 7.25" gauge one at the late Ted Martin's place, I'm building one in 5" gauge and I believe there is a 3.5" gauge one being built in either Devon or Cornwall ??
Meanwhile there are a pair of 4mm ones at the GWR Pendon Museum...........I have a pub table mat from Cottage Brewing depicting The Great Bear, and I know there is a trucking firm whose Articulated trailers are light blue and sport the Great Bear astronomical motif.....
Over to you then..
Alan
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2019 22:03:06 GMT
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Post by John Baguley on Jul 4, 2019 23:38:42 GMT
James Carson & Co. , one of the forerunners to Bassett Lowke, produced models of the Great Bear in 5", 3½", 2½" and 2" gauge so there should be a few of those about somewhere.
I only have a scan of a catalogue that someone sent me and it's dated 1911.
The 5" and 3½" gauge versions were coal fired I think but the 2½" gauge was fired by a paraffin burner. Not sure about the 2" gauge version.
The prices listed are:
5" gauge - £200.00
3½" gauge - £90.00
2½" gauge - £15.00
2" Gauge - £12.50
Prices converted to 'new money'
If only we could get things for that price now!
John
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Post by ettingtonliam on Jul 5, 2019 1:18:36 GMT
Probably multiply those prices by 150 to get the modern day equivalent price, so the 5" would be £30,000! Hope they were better than Modelworks!
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Post by delaplume on Jul 5, 2019 13:09:30 GMT
WOW !!..........that was an unexpected response
Many thanks chaps, I'll be wading through it all in due coarse.......Blimey, £12,500 for a cabside No.plate ?..At that price I sure hope the auction house had the provenance well and truly proven and documented, eh !!
Hi John ( Baggo ).. not seen you for quite some time....Where you at Prospect Park, Reading some years back when they had a 2.5" gauge rally ??
Pete, that one photo in the Alamy stock list looks really clear and crisp......I do have that one already but lifted from an E-Bay advert for a postcard......I'll contact Alamy and see if they will provide me with a nice big print on hard card....I have a bid on that Archers mat..I already have several in the Archers Locomotive Collection so that will make a nice addition...
Keep it up folks...
Alan
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Post by ianholder on Jul 5, 2019 16:34:11 GMT
There is a 5" actually 4 3/4 gauge Great Bear at Scunthorpe ME. which is the one built for Sir Berkeley Sheffield in the early 1900's. I know there was a 3 1/2 gauge one in Bill McAlpines Fawley Museum. at Henley. I think this is a Carson one, it had a false scale backhead over the working fittings. If you google model great bear and click on images you will find a lot of references hidden among the other rubbish you tend to find. regards Ian
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2019 16:52:30 GMT
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Post by delaplume on Jul 5, 2019 19:27:48 GMT
Hello everyone,
Many thanks for the Scunthorpe link.....My apologies but I'd forgotten to include it with those I already had......Joyce and I spent a couple of week-ends as their guests some time ago and were very pleasantly looked after......The loco itself has had a fairly chequered career over the years having been made commercially by Carsons as a 4.75" gauge model..........and then re-gauged by a member of the Southampton Club at a time / date unknown to me...
Many years back and following a tip-off I travelled to the then premises of Cheddar Models to photo a new boiler which had not long been fitted and the old one alongside......We touched on this earlier in this thread I think ??
I didn't realise Bill McAlpine's museum was near Henley-on-Thames------curses---- Joyce and I were there last month and missed it !!
I'm just prepping my shunter for tomorrow's visit by The Rugeley Nomads to Bromsgrove Diesel Day so it's 'bye for now ....
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Post by John Baguley on Jul 5, 2019 23:28:37 GMT
Hi John ( Baggo ).. not seen you for quite some time....Where you at Prospect Park, Reading some years back when they had a 2.5" gauge rally ?? Hi Alan,
I've only been to Prospect Park the once and that was back in 2011. I went with two friends, both no longer with us now, and had a good run with my Helen long. I always remember it because the fire was getting very low so i decided to do another lap to finish it off and ended up doing four with just the embers in the firebox!
It's a nice track but unfortunately we don't have a rally there now due to lack of support from the N25GA members over the last couple of years.
John
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Post by delaplume on Jul 11, 2019 18:25:36 GMT
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