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Post by mugbuilder on Nov 21, 2020 3:56:53 GMT
The first random piece that I made was the Bissel truck. The wheel castings were a little bit undersized for the scale that I am building in so I intend fitting tyres to enlarge them slightly. The truck is of considerably simpler construction than the plans but will not be noticeable when the engine is finished.
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Post by runner42 on Nov 21, 2020 4:33:42 GMT
Hi Barry,
if you are searching for a name, you might call it "Clayton", a variation on the theme of "having a drink, when your not having a drink".
Brian
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Post by coniston on Nov 21, 2020 9:33:33 GMT
Hi Barry, you can't deny a loco that has a lot of character, look forward to seeing progress.
Chris D
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Post by mbrown on Nov 21, 2020 10:14:16 GMT
Lovely loco! Presumably, from the design, a Beyer Peacock? Or is it an Aussie semi-clone? It looks very similar to the Metropolitan Railway tank engines, many of which were sold on and modified after the Underground went electric. The Cambrian Railway bought some and gave them tenders. That 4-wheel Bissell truck is pure B-P!
Best of luck as it progresses.
Malcolm
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Post by suctionhose on Nov 21, 2020 22:58:37 GMT
Hi Barry, Let's see how you go with "someone else's design". Never worked for me! Not even your Blowie design...
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Post by mugbuilder on Nov 21, 2020 23:05:48 GMT
Lovely loco! Presumably, from the design, a Beyer Peacock? Or is it an Aussie semi-clone? It looks very similar to the Metropolitan Railway tank engines, many of which were sold on and modified after the Underground went electric. The Cambrian Railway bought some and gave them tenders. That 4-wheel Bissell truck is pure B-P! Best of luck as it progresses. Malcolm
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Post by mugbuilder on Nov 21, 2020 23:16:26 GMT
You're right Malcolm, well spotted. NSWGR imported a batch of 4-4-0 tender engines based on the Bayer Peacock metropolitan tanks. About 1896 several of them were converted into tank engines. They originally had round-top boilers but all were later fitted with Belpair replacements and had a number of detail changes over their very long lives. Barry
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Post by mugbuilder on Nov 21, 2020 23:40:43 GMT
Hi Barry, Let's see how you go with "someone else's design". Never worked for me! Not even your Blowie design... G,Day Ross,
I do prefer to work to my own design but don't forget as I stated earlier 'I AM NOT BUILDING THIS ENGINE' just a few random components to keep myself busy. I'm just using the basic dimensions and greatly simplifing the guts to suite myself. There a lot of things to be decided apon as the build progresses, such as ,should I make the engine self contained with working water tanks and axle pump,[horrors] or have the tanks dummy and carry water in the driving truck? There are also several alterations to the steam inlet and exhaust pipes to considder. I am not fitting working leaf springs and compensated axles as designed but simpler coil springs. This is not a critisism of the original design but simply to make it easier and quicker for me to make. If it were to be finished I don't envisage using it much as my other engines suit me wall.
If it were ever to be finished it would be rather impractical for me to drive on a ground level track as the backhead is inset so far from the rear of the engine and I could never reach the controlls. It would be an ideal elevated track engine.
Regards, Barry.
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Post by mugbuilder on Nov 25, 2020 1:42:04 GMT
Here are some more of the random pieces that I am making for the engine that I am not going to build. The driving wheels and trailing wheels were also a bit small for me so I have fitted steel tyres to them and will also do the trailers when the rings are available.
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Post by steamer5 on Nov 25, 2020 23:14:18 GMT
Hi Barry, Well for a Clayton engine it seems to be progressing quite well! On the tire front a couple of question please, what steel have you used ? Did you use an interference fit or loctite? And finally if interference fit, what dimensions are you using?
Cheers Kerrin
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Post by mugbuilder on Nov 26, 2020 2:31:22 GMT
Hello Kerrin, I am using 680 Loctite on these wheels. I have shrunken tyres on in the past and the rule of thumb is to allow 1 thou per inch of wheel diameter. 44 years ago I stuck steel tyres onto my old 50's drivers and the strongest Loctite avaioable at the time was 601. They are still there. I don't know the grade of steel as the rings were cut from thick wall tube. It was pretty tough stuff but any reasonable mild steel should be OK as they will last a lifetime. The rings for the Bogie and trailing wheels be whatever the laser cutter provides. Regartds, Barry
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Post by steamer5 on Nov 26, 2020 12:01:17 GMT
Hi Barry, Thanks for the information. keep up the non work on the engine, its looking good!
Cheers Kerrin
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Post by mugbuilder on Nov 29, 2020 7:00:55 GMT
The buffer beams are done, The timber for the front one was cut from an old hardwood picket fence pailing. The buffer bodies were turned from scrap cast iron and await the heads to be fitted after I obtain a suitable piece of steel.I am a bit past cutting frames from plate so had these lazer cut.
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Post by mugbuilder on Dec 19, 2020 2:50:28 GMT
Looks like the faries have been doing a bit while I wasn' looking.
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Post by mugbuilder on Dec 19, 2020 2:51:27 GMT
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Post by ettingtonliam on Dec 19, 2020 8:28:31 GMT
Looks like the faries have been doing a bit while I wasn' looking. If your fairies have been doing that you are lucky. All my workshop fairies do is run around making a mess and hiding things.
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Post by barlowworks on Dec 19, 2020 11:30:05 GMT
I must have the same fairies in my workshop. I’m envious of the speed that things arrive on your workbench. I seem to have to look at something for hours before deciding to drill a hole or cut something (and then it’s usually wrong ☹️).
Mike
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Post by mugbuilder on Jan 3, 2021 0:52:21 GMT
Things have been a bit slow over the Christmas New Year break. Had a loverly run on New Years Eve, Daytime only and not late to bed. Hopefully 2021 will be a better year than 2020. The fairies have done a bit more on the 13 class and with the springs and bissel truck mounted. It is yet to be decided how much, if any material needs to be cut from the frame to provide clearance for the truck on the curves. Our club tracks and points seem to have sharper curves than their full size counterparts. We also tend to traverse these 'scale' 5-MPH curves at express speeds and wonder why we get derailments. those with a keen eye will see that I am fitting Slip Eccentric valve gear to this engine.[Can I hear screams of horror and how could he do such a thing.] It suites me at my time of life to do this as I have made and fitted dozens of reversing valve gears of many diferent types and am looking for an easier path with this one. I envisage that this engine ,if ever finished ,may eventually adorne my daughters wonderfull art studio and sit among her beautiful works. It will be finishes in lined green with polished dome and NSWGR crest.
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Post by mbrown on Jan 3, 2021 11:01:27 GMT
Interesting that the spokes on the two pairs of Bissell truck wheels are different. Is this as per the prototype - and if so, I wonder why?
Researches for my own loco are throwing up all sorts of inexplicable anomalies like that!
She is looking very good already - and I entirely see the point about slip eccentrics.
Malcolm
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Post by mugbuilder on Jan 3, 2021 23:12:32 GMT
Hello Malcolm, I hadn't noticed when I took the photos that that the front bissell truck wheel was on the wrong way round. They arn't fixed onto the axles yet as I havn't got the tyres done for them and will Loctite the wheels on then. Getting stupider as I get older. I should have checked on the faries to ensure that they had done the job properly. Barry
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