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Post by shedman on Apr 5, 2021 10:55:01 GMT
Hi Folks I am currently attempting to build a Sterling Single in 5 " Gauge and have some queries on the Tender. I am sure some will know that the tender in York coupled to No 1 was not the correct one and that in recent years another tender has been found and restored. In looking at the books on the Sterling it is apparent that there were quite a few different tenders used but the photos only give an indication of the external features and not the internals. I basically have two designs, one from the latest Reeves drawings and one from the design published in the model engineer in 1986. The two are very different and I was wondering if anyone knows if the Reeves design is of a correct tender? This is the design from the 1986 ME series  And this one from the latest Reeves Drawings  |
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Post by silverfox on Apr 5, 2021 14:02:13 GMT
Shedman
Before you embark on the same route i took with my B17 Tender ( using ME designs) to find out everyone was a ricket and the only surviving tender on the NNR isn't what i wanted!!
I went to the NRM and got the works drawings
Result one lovely set of plans all drawn out and cut to scale. well worth the effort
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Post by shedman on Apr 5, 2021 18:03:10 GMT
Shedman Before you embark on the same route i took with my B17 Tender ( using ME designs) to find out everyone was a ricket and the only surviving tender on the NNR isn't what i wanted!! I went to the NRM and got the works drawings Result one lovely set of plans all drawn out and cut to scale. well worth the effort That would be good if NRM have the drawings but one of the problems is that I am pretty sure they used different designs of tenders throughout the life of the Sterling Single so both of these designs maybe correct. |
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Post by simplyloco on Apr 5, 2021 18:58:47 GMT
Deleted through lack of interest.
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Post by silverfox on Apr 6, 2021 12:44:44 GMT
Shedman
What period do you want the loco to be in? Up until a few years ago it ran with the wrong tender!!
Likewise with the MN locos they swapped tenders( as did A4 and A3 locos) so draw a line in the sand and do whatever it had then.Esp if you have a dated photo!! Saves a lots of arguments from the rivet counters who enjoy finding problems. I will nor bore you with the Well know Bill Carter story about a pair of them at a ME exb who started having s pop at his GN Atlantic
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Post by shedman on Apr 6, 2021 16:20:54 GMT
Deleted through lack of interest. Sorry it was not through lack of interest, I have only just logged in to see your post. I did see the drawing then it disappeared. but I think it may be of one of the earlier tenders with wooden frame. |
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Post by shedman on Apr 6, 2021 16:37:47 GMT
Shedman What period do you want the loco to be in? Up until a few years ago it ran with the wrong tender!! Likewise with the MN locos they swapped tenders( as did A4 and A3 locos) so draw a line in the sand and do whatever it had then.Esp if you have a dated photo!! Saves a lots of arguments from the rivet counters who enjoy finding problems. I will nor bore you with the Well know Bill Carter story about a pair of them at a ME exb who started having s pop at his GN Atlantic That is a good question, I am trying to get close to No5. And from photos I have the tender looks close to the designs I posted. But I cant tell from the photos what the internals look like. Having said that it does look that there is an internal wall at the front with a door close to the drivers leg. Would this have been some sort of storage box?  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2021 16:52:37 GMT
Deleted through lack of interest. I'm sorry but what 'lack of interest are you referring to John?  ... the drawing that you had posted may have helped the OP greatly and his thread only started yesterday? ? Pete |
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Post by silverfox on Apr 6, 2021 18:07:52 GMT
Shedman
may i suggest you getting hold of the RCTS volume that covers these locos. That should give you a bit more info May even do a Yeadons and give tender swops!!
Then get onto NRM Search engine and ask them for a list of the Doncaster drawings they have in stock.Theyare in date order so shouldn't be too difficult to narrow it down
Also ask themn ( this is a long shot) if they also have a weigh book on the loco class
Then arrange an appointment to photo all the plans you want They have a maximun request of 9 rolls rer visit each roll usually has 50 drawings
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Post by lankyyorky on Apr 6, 2021 21:55:10 GMT
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Post by shedman on Apr 7, 2021 8:01:42 GMT
Thanks Silverfox and Iankyyorky. I will take a look.
Graham
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Post by ettingtonliam on Apr 7, 2021 16:05:47 GMT
Deleted through lack of interest. I was interested in the drawing before it disppeared. Just because we don't comment doesn't mean we are not interested---. |
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Post by simplyloco on Apr 7, 2021 17:34:23 GMT
Deleted through lack of interest. I was interested in the drawing before it disppeared. Just because we don't comment doesn't mean we are not interested---. I was having a bad day and the OP hadn't acknowledged my help. OK? John  |
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Post by silverfox on Apr 7, 2021 19:48:18 GMT
Graham
Yorky beat me to the link, got sidetracked earlier today had to pick up some pills from Guildford for the good lady. 40 round trip. I wish they would post them., at least because of covid w
she gets a pnone updaTE and we dont have to do that just for a 10 min chat and then wait on hour for the next three months prescription!!
Oh and despite earlier posts about costs, they do not charge anything for you to phot0graph the plans.the only stipulation is no tripods and i think no flash but the lighting is ok anyway.
If you want to see an example drop me a pm. with your email
Ron
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Post by lankyyorky on Apr 7, 2021 21:30:02 GMT
Just to add a little, apart from variations in width and depth of the tank the layout above the footplate doesn't seem to have changed very much over the years from that shown in John's drawing.
The frontplate was circa 3'6" in height with a cutout 3'w x 2'h at footplate level and 7" internal radiused corners at the top .
If you use the correct 4' wheels you'll have to fit the splashers as also shown in John's drawing above.
Hope this helps.
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Post by shedman on Apr 8, 2021 10:10:29 GMT
John thanks for reposting the drawing. Do you know what the drawing is of? From the timber I am guessing it is an early version. The tender that has been restored in York also shows a difference in the alignment of the back relative to the frame. The restored tender back nearly aligns with the back of the buffer beam and there is no space for a lamp bracket hence the mountings on the back itself. In the drawing it has lamp brackets mounted on the buffer beam. Another difference is the use of rivets, No5 uses them to mount the curved top and the base whereas the restored tender shows no rivets. I should point out I am no rivet counter but I would just like to know which version of the tender I eventually build. Tender being restored in York    |
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Post by lankyyorky on Apr 8, 2021 16:26:05 GMT
Hi Shedman, You may find this useful: www.doncasterworksrecords.org.uk/Part-38B.htmlI'm open to correction here but I believe the restored tender is from one of the enlarged 8 footers, the hole for shovelling coal is higher up than on the earlier tenders. A 3/4 rear view of no 547 at KX also shows the back of the tank on the centre line of the wood buffer beam, as does a paint drawing in the NRM collection.(The Oxford microfilm section iirc) |
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Post by shedman on Apr 8, 2021 18:08:22 GMT
Hi Ian
Many thanks for the link, I had not seen that before and it looks very useful. Now showing my ignorance is KX Kings Cross and do you have a copy of the image?
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Post by lankyyorky on Apr 8, 2021 19:35:41 GMT
Hi,
Yes Kings Cross, I do have a print but it's NRM copyright so doubt they would be amused if I posted it here, if I can get my old scanner working I could probably pm you a copy.
Regards
Dave
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Post by shedman on Apr 9, 2021 17:59:29 GMT
Hi, Yes Kings Cross, I do have a print but it's NRM copyright so doubt they would be amused if I posted it here, if I can get my old scanner working I could probably pm you a copy. Regards Dave Dave I have PM you and apologies for calling you Ian! Also the link to the Doncaster works records was very useful, thankyou. |
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... the drawing that you had posted may have helped the OP greatly and his thread only started yesterday?