GWR Tourn Wagon

[doubletop]

Does anybody have a drawing of a GWR Tourn wagon please?

I'm looking at converting a wagon that wasn't originally built with any protoype in mind to make it look more in keeping with GWR stock. It has bogie chassis that is the equivalent of 30ft. The Tourn apparently is 36ft and the 40T coal wagon is circa 43ft and too long. I did consider shorter version of the coal with 3 doors instead of 5 but as the Tourn is closer in length it may be a better candidate.

Of course if you are aware of anything else that may fit the bill I'd be happy to hear about it.

Thanks

Pete

[doubletop]

Apparently there is a line drawing of the Tourn in "A pictorial record of Great Western wagons 1971" by J Russell. Does anybody have a copy that they could share the drawing with me please?

Pete

[jma1009]

Hi Pete,

I don't ever recall a GWR "tourn", but my copy of Jim Russell's book (the appendix volume) has only a pic of a/the "tourn" on p.1. It is an open double bogie wagon of 1888 vintage. Other open double bogie wagons are available.

[92220]

I found this on Wikipedia:-

"An experimental bogie open, coded 'Tourn', was built in 1889. 36 feet (11 m) long, it was two-planks high but soon raised to four planks and rated to carry 25 tons."

Bob.

[doubletop]

Oct 13, 2021 7:01:53 GMT jma1009 said:

Hi Pete,

I don't ever recall a GWR "tourn", but my copy of Jim Russell's book (the appendix volume) has only a pic of a/the "tourn" on p.1. It is an open double bogie wagon of 1888 vintage. Other open double bogie wagons are available.

Julian

I'd be interested in any open double bogie wagon that was around 30ft long (the 40ton Coal is too long). The only one I have found is the Tourn and a copy of the pic of the Tourn would help just to confirm what it looks like.

I'm not seeking ro make something an exact model just "in the spirit of". The wagon I'm riding on in this pic is a double bogie, but it wasn't made as anything in particular and is over size. I want to make it more GWR to join the Dart, Autotrailer, and Toad.



If you could point me in the right direction I'd very much appreciate it.

Pete

[jma1009]

Pete,

If you PM me we can exchange emails etc.

I'm not up to posting pics on here anymore, but I can send you what I have via email.

Cheers,
Julian

[lesstoneuk]

What about an Iron Mink F..... 36ft, easily built with ply and plastruct/brass angle. As it's not going to be strictly to size and only a representation, this should be easier to find details for.

[doubletop]

Oct 17, 2021 5:27:30 GMT lesstoneuk said:

What about an Iron Mink F..... 36ft, easily built with ply and plastruct/brass angle. As it's not going to be strictly to size and only a representation, this should be easier to find details for.

Les

Thanks, but does need to be a bogie open wagon to be able to re-use the existing chassis and still be ride on. I had planned for the Toad to be ride on but it is too small and 4-wheel ride on’s tend to derail if you lean forwards too far. The Autocoach is ride on but is high and too much of a bend for a bu88ered back. Basically, a rebuild of the existing open wagon to look like something GWR and broadly in scale.


Pete

[johnd]

Not too sure if its of use but this morning I was looking at the drawing lists on the national railway web site.
In the Oxford Publishing List(2020) entry number 1159 it shows “20T Bogie Open Wagon (Tourn) 1890”

[lesstoneuk]

Oct 17, 2021 8:25:23 GMT doubletop said:

Oct 17, 2021 5:27:30 GMT lesstoneuk said:

What about an Iron Mink F..... 36ft, easily built with ply and plastruct/brass angle. As it's not going to be strictly to size and only a representation, this should be easier to find details for.

Les

Thanks, but does need to be a bogie open wagon to be able to re-use the existing chassis and still be ride on. I had planned for the Toad to be ride on but it is too small and 4-wheel ride on’s tend to derail if you lean forwards too far. The Autocoach is ride on but is high and too much of a bend for a bu88ered back. Basically, a rebuild of the existing open wagon to look like something GWR and broadly in scale.


Pete

Looks like it will be easier to design your own. Basically, it should be like two or three wagons back to back. Position the openings to be symmetrical about the centre line. Adjust the positions until you get even panels front middle and back. You may have to use a third opening to get it looking right.

[doubletop]

Oct 17, 2021 10:47:32 GMT johnd said:

Not too sure if its of use but this morning I was looking at the drawing lists on the national railway web site.
In the Oxford Publishing List(2020) entry number 1159 it shows “20T Bogie Open Wagon (Tourn) 1890”

Thanks for this I've placed an order with the NRM. It does seem that they have something on this week "Please be aware that we will not be able to respond to any queries between the 16th and 24th October". I'll see what happens.

Pete

[ettingtonliam]

One advantage of modelling based on a little known prototype is that reduces the chances of some knowall wandering along and telling you its all wrong.

[stevep]

You reckon?

[ettingtonliam]

I only said it reduces the chance, nothing can eliminate it!

[steamer5]

Hi Pete,
You could always build a schnabel car.....not really GWR....but then you could lye down & drive!

Cheers Kerrin

[doubletop]

Oct 18, 2021 9:01:52 GMT ettingtonliam said:

I only said it reduces the chance, nothing can eliminate it!

If they do they've probably read this thread. The give away will be telling me it's 9" too short.

Pete

[doubletop]

I now have the drawing from the NRM and the wagon is exactly what I've been looking for. 33'6" open bogie wagon. 3'1" from rail to underside of frame, frame 9" and 4 boards 2'4" to the top. Overall height 6'9". Width 7'6"

An interesting feature is about 2/3 of the frame is perforated by 4" holes around 6" apart. The other 1/3 is plain.

Sorry but the NRM copyright means I can't share the drawing.

Pete

[ettingtonliam]

Which even more reduces the chance of a knowall coming along and telling you its not in accordance with the works drawing!

[92220]

Dec 14, 2021 19:18:08 GMT doubletop said:

I now have the drawing from the NRM and the wagon is exactly what I've been looking for. 33'6" open bogie wagon. 3'1" from rail to underside of frame, frame 9" and 4 boards 2'4" to the top. Overall height 6'9". Width 7'6"

An interesting feature is about 2/3 of the frame is perforated by 4" holes around 6" apart. The other 1/3 is plain.

Sorry but the NRM copyright means I can't share the drawing.

Pete

You can use copyright material for instructional and educational purposes as long as it doesn't adversely effect sales of the original material. This is from the Government website on copyright protection:-


"Teaching

Several exceptions allow copyright works to be used for educational purposes, such as:



the copying of works in any medium as long as the use is solely to illustrate a point, it is not done for commercial purposes, it is accompanied by a sufficient acknowledgement, and the use is fair dealing. This means minor uses, such as displaying a few lines of poetry on an interactive whiteboard, are permitted, but uses which would undermine sales of teaching materials are not"

This also applies to drawings, though generally only part of a drawing should be shown, so that the whole drawing cannot be copied and re-sold.

Bob.

[doubletop]

Dec 16, 2021 9:19:02 GMT 92220 said:

You can use copyright material for instructional and educational purposes as long as it doesn't adversely effect sales of the original material. This is from the Government website on copyright protection:-


"Teaching

Several exceptions allow copyright works to be used for educational purposes, such as:



the copying of works in any medium as long as the use is solely to illustrate a point, it is not done for commercial purposes, it is accompanied by a sufficient acknowledgement, and the use is fair dealing. This means minor uses, such as displaying a few lines of poetry on an interactive whiteboard, are permitted, but uses which would undermine sales of teaching materials are not"

This also applies to drawings, though generally only part of a drawing should be shown, so that the whole drawing cannot be copied and re-sold.

Bob.

Bob

Thanks, I was aware of this, I was really setting any expectations that I could reveal the whole drawing. I'll work on a providing a taster. If interested then others know where to go if they want a copy. At £7.50 it is not expensive and supports the NRM

Pete