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Post by timb on Jul 31, 2021 11:43:24 GMT
I've been wasting money again.... Pete How can it be a waste of money if it brings you pleasure?
Where will you put it Pete??
Tim
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2021 12:24:34 GMT
Not sure yet Tim..in the workshop somewhere...it's very heavy so will need one of my son's to help me hold it up.
Pete
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2021 13:55:16 GMT
I found a spot for it....only place it could go really.. it will certainly catch one's eye as you walk through the door...   In other news, I was happily sitting outside painting the lining on the running board valance...something that I've been meaning to do for months. That is, I was happy until getting hit by a rain squall, I didn't see that one coming...lol I have also painted the green on the splashers, I'll probably fit the brass trim before doing the lining, I can then use that edge to ensure the line is equally spaced, thee's a few bits to be aware of that need lining up when lining the splashers.  Pete |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2021 18:34:59 GMT
good evening all.... as mentioned last week I'm hoping to put the model on static display at my club this coming weekend. to do this involves a fair bit of work in not only making the model more presentable but also the time in putting everything back together. As these stages will probably be of more interest than some of the other recent updates I'll post pictures as she comes back together. two for tonight, as can be seen the running boards are back and I have to say the new coat of paint is a massive improvement to last time. I have painted the splashers Doncaster green but alas won't be able to line them before the weekend. i was planning on attaching the brass trim which I'd do before the lining anyway as they give a good guide for the lining. Unfortunately, at the time of discovering that 4472 still had her brass trim in 1938, I ordered extra laser-cut trim without paying much attention to how the parts were to be assembled. The trim fits under the outer shell and thus is not wide enough to use for the brass trim fitted over the inner trim. No big deal, I'll sort this in due course. I have fitted the splashers anyway. Tomorrow I have a hundred or so 10 BA bolts to fit and various other parts, I'll also take a look at the boiler and temporarily fitting the smokebox to it, note the saddle has already been fitted. The lining on the valance is a little heavy, I shall deal with that another time once it's fully cured. I'll hopefully post more pictures tomorrow.   Pete |
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Post by coniston on Aug 2, 2021 23:07:19 GMT
It certainly does look lovely Pete, this will be a fantastic model once finished.
Chris
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 16:43:16 GMT
well, I promised more photos today, this time there are 7 as I try to take various shots down the length of the model plus a couple closer up. I didn't manage to get the smokebox and boiler back on today as hoped but I have been busy nonetheless. Job's done are to finish off the cab side sheets where the draincock and gravity sander bolts go through, these have now all been filled, sanded, and primed. Unlike today there are very few bolts/rivets showing on the outside of the side sheets other than the row below the windows which hold the window runners on. Today, FS seems to be plastered with extra bolts/rivets all over the cab, she was much more a speed machine with little sticking out during the first 15 years of her career. I also painted the steam sander filler tubes which I'll fit tomorrow. I have now fitted most of the small hex 10BA bolts that hold the front running boards on, I haven't fitted all of the 10 BA CSK screws down the length of the running boards yet, I'll leave those until last in case I run out of time. The nameplates have been refitted and for the first time, the now painted/lined cylinder cladding sheets have been fitted. I have touched in some of the marked paintwork but still have more to go, most of the black is done in the various depths of satin shine, there are 3 different levels of satin on the model. I have included a close-up of the nameplate, not to show the plate so much but to point out the brass trim, here you can see how it's not wide enough to cover the splasher trim. My fault as briefed yesterday, all is in hand though and Ed (MEL) will get them sorted once he's back from hols, at least the photo gives an idea of how it will look when fitted with the correct sized trim. All being well I hope to have the boiler refitted tomorrow, we shall see... Pete        |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 16:48:59 GMT
hmm.. guess I didn't put the nameplate on straight...another job for tomorrow...lol
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Post by flyingfox on Aug 3, 2021 18:18:10 GMT
Congratulations Pete, "Scotsman" looks superb. Was she ever fitted with a speedo on the left trailing axle in later life?
Regards
Brian B
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 18:43:03 GMT
Congratulations Pete, "Scotsman" looks superb. Was she ever fitted with a speedo on the left trailing axle in later life? Regards Brian B Thanks Brian...alas not..no speedo back in 1938, the speedo was fitted in BR days, |
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Post by runner42 on Aug 4, 2021 0:03:04 GMT
Hi Pete,
excellent work, I would imagine that Don Young would be equally proud of your example of his locomotive design and had it been in construction during that time that it would have featured extensively in his LLAS magazine as an incentive to other builders.
I am also marveling at your patience and the sequence that you have decided to construct the locomotive, I would have hurried to construct the running chassis and have it running on air. But you must be close to achieving that goal?
Just a recap, the boiler water replenishment system is by injectors only and you intend to construct two mechanical lubricators, which I assume will sit on the running boards and operated from the valve gear. Has provision for these already be made?
Brian
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2021 8:08:49 GMT
Hi Pete, excellent work, I would imagine that Don Young would be equally proud of your example of his locomotive design and had it been in construction during that time that it would have featured extensively in his LLAS magazine as an incentive to other builders. I am also marveling at your patience and the sequence that you have decided to construct the locomotive, I would have hurried to construct the running chassis and have it running on air. But you must be close to achieving that goal? Just a recap, the boiler water replenishment system is by injectors only and you intend to construct two mechanical lubricators, which I assume will sit on the running boards and operated from the valve gear. Has provision for these already be made? Brian Morning Brian Thank you for your favourable comments on my build, I wish that Don was still alive, I would have loved to have been able to share the build with him. To answer your questions in order. Don's design is more or less a true miniature of full size, both in looks/design and in how the various parts work, the lubricators are an example which I'll cover at the end with some pictures. Due to the complexity of this model and my limited time in this world I have tried to build it where I don't need to keep taking things apart, or at least to greatly reduce this. If I had got her to the running stage without first making all of the brake and sanding gear it would have made things much more time-consuming. As an example, the gravity sanders had to be done before the cylinders and their slide bars were fitted, it made sense to also make all of the rod linkages to the cab at the same time and test. The same goes for the steam sanders, vacuum brakes etc. This has a knock-on effect, such as the cab needed to be at least made to a basic stage which it currently is. there are so many parts (all working) to the model that it gets a little bewildering sometimes. I would love to have it running on air, I am getting closer but still have a fair bit to do first, the lubricator drive arm and connecting rods being such an item. Yes, the boiler will be fed by two injectors, there are no handpumps or axle pumps on this model. There will, however, be a backup water feed method. The boiler will be filled via an electric HP 12v pump. Not only will this fill the boiler from empty pretty quickly but it will also be an emergency method of replenishing the water if both injectors fail, the pump will be capable of overcoming 130 PSI which gives a good safety margin against the working boiler pressure of 100 PSI. Finally the lubricators and whether any provision has already been made for them, You'll be happy to learn the answer is yes, I'll post a few pictures to show where we are and how things will work. First up is a picture of where the forward lubricator sits, I have placed one of Adam's superb castings to give a general idea of how it will look. This will be a fully working lubricator, I'll work out the internal design later. This sits exactly where it does on the prototype and will be connected to the valve gear in the same way. A few things to point out, the front lubricator sits very close to the gravity sander linkage, also in this picture, you can see the 10 BA CSK screws which are practical, all the others are sealed, this makes future maintenance much easier although still a lot of work if needed to remove the running boards etc. These particular screws will be changed for newly painted items on final assembly. bTW this particular lubricator will feed the 3 cylinders, as per full size  Next is the rear lubricator position, this one will feed the 3 main driving axle boxes, their axles and horns, again, as per full size. The slot to the front is for the operating arm to drop down through to connect to the rod linkage below. Also of note here is the close proximity of the steam sander filler neck, I secure its lid later, it's already made.  Lastly, a close up of the spigot that's part of the R/H expansion link shaft, the drive arm will fit this spigot and have two connecting rods from it to the two lubricators fore and aft of this position.  Hope that answers all questions... Pete |
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Post by oldnorton on Aug 4, 2021 8:35:39 GMT
Pete
Absolutely lovely to see the attention to detail in your build, and I guess most of us are cautious of making any detailing enquiry as you have it so well attended to. But, please tell me your thinking or plans for the row of CSK slotted screws on the top of the outer edge of the side platforms. I am assuming the prototype would have used a rivet and hex bolt assembly, with bolts holding together smaller sections of platform to allow disassembly at servicing?
Norm
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2021 9:16:43 GMT
Pete Absolutely lovely to see the attention to detail in your build, and I guess most of us are cautious of making any detailing enquiry as you have it so well attended to. But, please tell me your thinking or plans for the row of CSK slotted screws on the top of the outer edge of the side platforms. I am assuming the prototype would have used a rivet and hex bolt assembly, with bolts holding together smaller sections of platform to allow disassembly at servicing? Norm Hi Norm Thank you for your question and thanks for your articles in ME, I've enjoyed reading them. Many moons ago, well years now I looked into this as much as I could. Photos from my chosen era aren't good enough to see what's what but later photos of 4472 being overhauled when becoming owned by NRM clearly show that the screws down the length are indeed CSK slotted screws, were there any flush-fitted rivets in among them? I have no idea... In fact, one photo which had a few screws removed near the nameplate was my deciding factor on sticking to what Don has drawn. The only difference is that whereas Don specified 8 BA CSK, I used 10 BA CSK, IIRC I did post this picture in my thread somewhere. Yes, my screws are more pronounced, that is there is a dip where they sit but I can live with that. As for the bolts, these are as per photos from my era, I found one from the 1929 film which clearly shows where the hex bolts are fitted, it's a little different from today where it seems all fixing along the front are hex. This is more or less how they were in the past except for the front of the side running boards just before they curve down, here they were CSK with just the middle running board under the smokebox having the hex bolts, the entire front row above the buffer beam were all hex bolts. Hope that shows where I am or at least try to be.. Kind regards Pete |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2021 17:17:30 GMT
Now for today's proper progress on reassembly, I have now refitted the boiler for the first time in a couple of years. I have also refitted the gravity sander rods and arm and touched in some more paintwork just leaving the few marks on the wheels to do. I also need to polish them up a little. 4 pictures then to show the boiler back where it belongs, this is the first time that I've seen the smokebox black up against the running boards and I have to congratulate myself on getting what I wanted. The smokebox have a lovely deep shine just off gloss as seen in photos from the 20-30's photo from the rear..  Head on.. yes I know the running boards aren't sitting down fully flush yet, that's because I haven't used all of the fixing screws for the front of the side boards and there are currently none holding down the upper running board to them either.  3/4 front view, you can see better here how the upper boards haven't been bolted down yet.  3/4 side view... if you compare these pictures with those from 2018 you can see why I'm much happier about the black paintwork.  I plan to visit the club tomorrow so depending on how long I'm there will dictate how much I get done by tomorrow evening. Jobs left to do are fit the cab, connect both the draincock and sander operating levers, fit the main steam pipe covers, and lastly a general check over. Pete |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2021 17:34:18 GMT
Reassembly continues.. only one photo worth showing today but it does mean another tick in a box. After having a great day at the club, after returning home I found a couple of hours tonight to do a little more. I had to remove the upper running boards as I had forgotten to screw the saddle down, it's a pretty tight fit anyway but playing safe I have fitted a couple of screws on either side for peace of mind. After replacing the boards I then fitted the main steam pipe covers, as with most of the other reassembled parts I have only used a few screws.. no point in a total screw down as it's all got to come off again. I also paid a little more attention to the cab, I thought it would be a nice touch to give the roof a coat of satin black, it will be redone properly when I finish the cab (lots of detail work to be done there still) but it adds a little definition to the cab rather than just grey all over. Things are looking promising for Saturday, the weather is a concern as although the motion has been oiled the model is far from protected from the elements. George the organiser for this year has kindly offered to find a place for the model up at the station where it will be under cover. The added bonus to this idea is that it won't get covered in ash like in previous years from sitting in the steam bay all day... with this, in mind I may take the display track to sit it on, we shall see. So jobs lefty to do tomorrow, fit the cab and connect the two cab levers to their various cables/rods, clean the tender (not touch for a few years and very dusty) touch in a few gloss black marks on the wheel centre's and lastly give the entire model a clean...I think that's everything... Photo for tonight is to show the main steam pipe cover fitted, I have, of course, chosen the R/H side with the ejector elbow for added interest.  Pete |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2021 14:59:39 GMT
Good afternoon guys.. well, the loco is now ready for tomorrow, and on a plus note, the weather now looks much better than had been threatened, there's even some sun so should be able to get some properly lit photos. I have taken some photos with the tender sharing the stand, a good test of its strength if nothing else. The last photo in this group shows the loco hoisted by its lifting rig ready to be lowered onto its traveling board. I have done this a good few times now but still get nervous at this stage, rightly so as each time the model is getting heavier. I would guess her to be approx 200lbs now, perhaps a little more. You may recall that when weighed on the scales without her boiler and other parts missing she weighed in at 148lb, the boiler must be at least 50 lbs, I suspect more as she's more heavily built than the drawing, ie, larger tubes and thicker upper tubeplate sections etc, plus all the extra bronze bushes. Having said that the lifting rig will handle more than twice that weight but it doesn't stop me from getting a little twitchy...🙂      And another video to bore you all... youtu.be/_yR-k0WVUFc |
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Post by RGR 60130 on Aug 6, 2021 17:29:48 GMT
A quick coat of Hammerite lashed on with a 4" creosote brush and she'll be a goodun!
Looking good Pete.
Reg
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2021 17:38:38 GMT
A quick coat of Hammerite lashed on with a 4" creosote brush and she'll be a goodun! Looking good Pete. Reg That's what I've done Reg, can't you tell?.... Pete |
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Post by keith1500 on Aug 7, 2021 6:47:43 GMT
Pete
Nice YouTube vid. Certainly good to see what a fine model you have built there. Good luck with the NLSME expo, shame the weather is poor at the moment.
Yes, I think I too would be nervous about lifting her. It’s the centre of gravity that would worry me. There no chance she could roll over and get the better of you?
Keith
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2021 9:24:26 GMT
Thanks Keith....COG is good, I use the same lifting points as full soze. Two holes high in the frames at the front and hooks to grab the drag box at the rear. The cab hatch panel needs to be removed first...all as per full size.
Cheers
Pete
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