ilvaporista
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Post by ilvaporista on Feb 20, 2011 6:03:52 GMT
If he really is a sailor as well then I would not like to have his craft anywhere near our boat. People with similar attitudes keep the RNLI busy. Boats cost many times more the money involved in a 2 1/2" hour drive, club membership etc. I can't see anything wrong in the costs or advice quoted here. Try certifying and insuring a boat if you think that boiler inspectors are expensive for a piece of paper.
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Post by kwil on Feb 20, 2011 9:12:14 GMT
nutta by name, nutter by nature. Perhaps we should request the "management" to kill off this theme?
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Post by nutta on Feb 20, 2011 11:30:22 GMT
Thank you everybody for your replies. I have read them all and taken notice off all that has been said. I do have a new toy and have spent a lot on it so i want to play as soon as posible with minimum of red tape. This discussion has highlighted lots of points for me and i now believe that the club officials are like they are because of the gravity of whats involved, more than i know. I dont believe my friend is alone in offering a 'quicky' test and the point of penalyies for clubs allowing dodgy testers has not been answered.
If you see me on the rally field, i will be a member of a club, with their boiler test and insurance and a safe traction engine, say hello
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Post by waggy on Feb 21, 2011 20:50:38 GMT
Perhaps the certificate could be written out on the blank side of a £3 note? Waggy.
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Post by Boadicea on Feb 22, 2011 9:10:04 GMT
Something good comes out of everything. At least it clarified the rules for some of the newcomers. There is a bit of devil's advocate about it though. May it give pleasure!
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Post by goldstar31 on Feb 22, 2011 10:41:28 GMT
Something good comes out of everything. At least it clarified the rules for some of the newcomers. There is a bit of devil's advocate about it though. May it give pleasure! Maybe it clarifies why Clubs should be reminded and be wary of unknown applicants. I recall an equally dangerous person having joined a club next door to mine. Norman Atkinson
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Post by weldsol on Feb 23, 2011 13:43:03 GMT
What next test certs on ebay
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Post by ewal on Feb 23, 2011 17:54:40 GMT
Just mention boilers & everyone gets very uptight. Here is a nice little boiler I built a while ago & it didn't cost me £1000 . Insurance! whats that? E.W. Attachments:
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Post by Julia on Feb 24, 2011 10:05:35 GMT
Getting a kosha boiler certificate may be the least of your problems. Traction engine boilers incorporate an "Idiot Detector" that shows up the arrogant owner who does not get help before operating their engine in public. The "Idiot Detector" can do various things to the owner ranging from making the owner looking a complete plonker, to damaging the engine beyond economic repair. In extreme cases it could demonstrate Darwinian natural selection removing the arrogant owner from the planet.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2011 11:17:49 GMT
Haha... Well said Julia, that brought a smile to my face.... Pete
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Post by ewal on Feb 24, 2011 17:12:08 GMT
I thought I should have a few comments. I don't need a boiler certificate & I have no difficulty in selling my engines. I have already sold 8 & shall sell the other 9 when I need the money. How about a few more boilers? E.W. Attachments:
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Post by ettingtonliam on Feb 24, 2011 18:10:59 GMT
Umm - I realise I'm probably going to regret asking, but why don't you need a boiler certificate, and how do purchasers of your engines get one?
Richard
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Post by steam4ian on Feb 24, 2011 20:58:13 GMT
G'day all
Firstly to Nutta. You must have parted with a few sheckels to purchase said engine so the costs assocoated with boiler inspection will be comparatively inconsequential. Consider it an investment increasing the saleability of your investment. By all means have a friend look at the boiler, and infact do a hydro test, but DO NOT expect that friend to give you a certificate outside of the rules governing the issuing of such a certificate.
You don't own a steam powered machine, it owns you. So join AND participate in a club and get the benefits of years of experience, mistakes and wisdom, As a side benefit you will get a boiler certificate.
To the rest. I am disgusted by the way some people throw insults around. Assuming that because Nutta has asked a question you think is ridiculous you that he is to held equivalent to some group or person you despise. Shame!
No wonder people don't want to join clubs.
Who put razor blades in my meusli?
Regards Ian
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Post by ewal on Feb 25, 2011 16:48:43 GMT
Hello Ettingtonliam I hope I have spelt that right, Why should you regret asking a question ? it is the best way to find out. I don't need a certificate because I've got my own track steeeeem.co.uk & the only insurance I have is on the car, which I have to have by law. As for the people who buy the engines I don't know how they get the certificates but they do, & they all seem pleased with them. Ian I agree with what you said about the lynch mob attitude of the people who were getting at nutta. If I had been younger I might have joined a club but at 70 it was a bit late. What has happened to Dr. John? I miss his friendly banter. E.W. Attachments:
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Post by ewal on Feb 27, 2011 11:50:19 GMT
Paul there are 2 types of people, pessimists & optimists The former will wear a hard hat to paint the ceiling. I have always been keen to try things. For example with my wifes assistance I built our house, when I say built I mean layed bricks, plastered ,did the plumbing, electric wiring, joinering, roofing etc.My wife mixed all the morter & plaster by hand & pointed the brick work. It took about 16 months to complete. My boilers are built with boiler plate for which I have all the necessary certificates & the engines are all secondhand & are sold as seen. So I don't think you have any need to worry about me. If anyone is interested in building their own steel boiler I can tell you where to buy the steel. It is probably dearer now.
E.W.
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Post by Boadicea on Feb 28, 2011 8:40:57 GMT
Reckon you guys are never going to agree on this. A novel way round the boiler regs - just build a traction engine/loco around the boiler. All within the regs where an amateur should be able to build a model and then sell it. No mention of traceability of materials or CE marking. However, somehow I think it is not within the spirit to build loads of them, might put the boiler testing regime at risk and could bring us one stage nearer to paying professionals to test our boilers. Sorry, my glass appears to be half empty on this one, but enjoy - this is a hobby after all!
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Post by russell on Feb 28, 2011 9:55:25 GMT
i agree it is a hobby, and yes an 'amatuer' should be allowed to build a loco/trac engine and then sell it on later. "Should be" and is. Russell.
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Post by Boadicea on Feb 28, 2011 12:51:34 GMT
i agree it is a hobby, and yes an 'amatuer' should be allowed to build a loco/trac engine and then sell it on later. "Should be" and is. Russell. Just a slip of the tongue guys - should not have included "should", but my main argument is there must be a point where, because of the number of boilers being produced, this is not really playing the game. This will then disadvantage someone doing it properly, investing the cost of CE marking and the rigmorole of CE auditing etc. Even making one ourselves involves an approved design and inspection at stages during construction. Having said all that, the workmanship looks excellent and I wish I could weld like that.
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Post by ewal on Feb 28, 2011 14:20:29 GMT
Boadicea, The reason I have built so many engines is if you stop doing things when you are old you end up needing care 24/7. A few years ago I could see this slump coming & decided I would spend some money on castings, boiler tube & plate,mild & stainless steel,copper tube, brass & various fittings (injectors pressure guages) etc. The industrial estate across the road where I get my castings is also the place where I get the steel cut to size , smoke boxes rolled & stainless water tanks & firebars tig welded. These engines are very simple to build not like the ones you build, they are complicated, I admire the people who are able to, but I require size for stability & ease of maintenance. Paul, copper is fine that is why I use it for boiler tubes, but I don't like a boiler that bulges under pressure. E.W. Attachments:
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Post by ewal on Mar 1, 2011 9:52:59 GMT
Hello Paul, I look forward to your photos. I knew I had read somewhere about copper boilers bulging & seeing a steel one sawn in half after 30 years use every weekend & bank holiday, I settled for steel. Romulus & the Garratt were the only ones with conventional boilers, the rest have marine type, very strong & simple to make. E.W. Attachments:
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