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Post by drjohn on Dec 13, 2011 13:00:02 GMT
OK Chris, but I have driven an LBSC Brit many years ago, and I can assure you there was an awful lot more detail on the backhead. DJ Excuse the crummy resolution on the photo, but it was 30 over years ago! Attachments:
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Post by chris vine on Dec 13, 2011 20:47:45 GMT
DJ,
I am sure you have driven an LBSC Brit which has more detail on the backhead. However I can't see much point in making anything of it compared to JB's loco. If you could see his workmanship (in the flesh) you would be blown away.
One of my favourite scales is Gauge 1. I just love to see them running round a track at an exhibition, looking for all the world exactly as they did. There is something about the sound of the wheels on the track, the little stations, the carriages. They are magic however their backheads are really poor. But then there are no over-scale people on odd riding cars with their legs astride the track.......
Nothing is perfect, even full size today is not like it used to be. There are all sorts of radio signalling thingys in the cab and they are not allowed to run at the speed they used to do. The drivers have to wear high visibility jackets which completely ruin the effect, etc. etc.
The level of detail we work to is something of a red-herring I think. After all, how far do you go? Far enough to make the model not work? To me it is a choice and each to his own. I would much rather see a well made, but simple, model than a complex one which is all wonky!
Chris.
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Post by Jim on Dec 13, 2011 21:09:33 GMT
I couldn't agree more Chris.
Our models are our creations built to whatever standards and detail we set ourselves. Like many on this site I've followed JB's build with great interest and gained much along the way.
Thanks JB and keep up the good work.
Jim.
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Post by drjohn on Dec 14, 2011 4:25:59 GMT
Each and every one of us is entitled to our own opinion - mine is merely that since JB has all but admitted he's building a glass case loco, I personally feel there should be a lot more detail on the backhead. You rave about his work, but he has the best equipment money can buy, he bought the frames and wheels and boiler - out sourced even the paint job, so for the years he's been on the coupling rods and fiddly bits, it OUGHT to be good. Me, I build locos to run. The way you fawn over JB, perhaps you should change his initials to JC! If you want to see REALLY impressive model engineering, go to ww3.tiki.ne.jp/~hwata/index_e.html and click on the link to the C53 - there were no plans, nothing, he did it from photographs and measurements from the only remaining one. DJ.   |
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Post by Shawki Shlemon on Dec 14, 2011 8:43:20 GMT
I think all the people here on this forum and for that matter in the hobby do a great job , each to his/ her own standard of accuracy . I stand corrected " no one can build a working engine in 5" gauge to 100% scale no matter what skills and/or equipment he/she has " . Boiler construction , material thickness , hard ware not to mention other details can't be matched 100% . In my opinion it is wrong to claim that one is building the engine to exact scale as it is also not right to criticize the not so 100% engine , this was the reason for the birth of rivet counters .I am sure that some engines are better than others but others are better than NONE .  |
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Post by pondok on Dec 14, 2011 9:36:47 GMT
Jeez DJ - "Trying to be civil" - I guess we like JB because he doesn't even have to try...
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Post by chris vine on Dec 14, 2011 10:13:47 GMT
Why so personal and unpleasant DJ? This is a hobby!!!
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Post by pondok on Dec 14, 2011 10:39:15 GMT
Yeah, you'd think that nice Malaysian weather would have mellowed you out by now - go take a chill pill and soak up some sunshine dude.
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Post by sncf141r on Dec 14, 2011 13:30:29 GMT
OK Chris, but I have driven an LBSC Brit many years ago, and I can assure you there was an awful lot more detail on the backhead. Maybe, but I just finished going through Atkins' book on the Britannia class; there is a picture of the back head, and it is relatively empty! The picture must be around on the Internet somewhere. I did spend a day on the French compound at the Nene Valley Railway a decade or two, and the real Britannia was also running; did not look too much at it, except for the single cylinder air compressor tucked into it. This "Brit Progress" thread is certainly interesting; well done lads and ladies - got me looking through my old Model Engineers reading LBSC's articles on it... JohnS. |
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Post by RGR 60130 on Dec 14, 2011 13:41:35 GMT
Here's a picture I found of the backhead of Britannia, courtesy of Nigel Fraser Kerr. Reg Attachments:
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Post by tombayford on Dec 14, 2011 13:52:52 GMT
THe gauge glasses are missing their protectors
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Post by RGR 60130 on Dec 14, 2011 14:37:36 GMT
THe gauge glasses are missing their protectors Aye, non-ferrous metal thefts are at an all time high. The bu***rs will steal anything these days |
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Post by fostergp6nhp on Dec 14, 2011 18:50:02 GMT
Here's a picture I found of the backhead of Britannia, courtesy of Nigel Fraser Kerr. Reg The drivers graduable steam brake valve has been modified by adding the air cylinder below the vacuum cylinder just like on the WD's, so the steam brake now works in proportion to the air brake as well as the vacuum brake. Look at www.davenoble.co.uk/May%202010.pdf for what a std brake valve looks like, its the first component in the catalogue. |
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Post by Andrew C on Dec 14, 2011 22:45:55 GMT
JB. Just remember there is only one critic you need to please.. You! the rest of us can go whistle  One observation though you can always go back and remake something later even after you have been running the engine for years! That's what I intend to do with my 5ins Brit. The cab is wrong, the location the running board joints the cab is ok to the window but the distance to the cab floor is too great. I'll change it but later. There are lots of images on a link from JJ's Britannia builder site www.fraserker.com/winson/britannia_pix/page_01.htmKeep up the good work Andrew |
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Post by terryhowlett on Dec 21, 2011 14:47:32 GMT
Hi JB, It was good to meet you at the show again and see the Brit taking shape in the flesh once again. The show was mind blowing for such a newcomer but very inspiring. I for one would encourage you to keep posting the progress as an inspiration to us all .......well most of us from what I've just read on this thread lately  Looking forward to visiting again soon with some blunt drills and booze in tow! Terry |
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Post by Jim on Dec 22, 2011 11:41:50 GMT
I suspect that sadly we may not see any progress reports from JB for some time and I don't blame him.
Jim
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Post by standardsteam on Dec 22, 2011 14:43:10 GMT
I would encourage him to. I think the dissenting voice might be drowned out by those that are genuinely interested, and that includes me, building a Britannia myself, albeit one of those screw-together kit jobs.
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Post by Smifffy on Dec 22, 2011 14:57:21 GMT
...we do tend to come across rude and ignorant people in all aspects of life. It's easy to ignore them and carry on with what and who matter :-)
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Post by Andrew C on Dec 22, 2011 23:52:04 GMT
Jim I have a feeling you may be right  . It's a shame. I for one will miss the posts Andrew |
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Post by rodwilson on Dec 23, 2011 12:00:27 GMT
Other than the backhead details the other criticisms aimed at JB's model were picked up simply because he told us the truth. It looks a great model and is a credit to him and I appreciate the time he has taken to share it with this forum. The praise and comments from Chris Vine say it all...........I guess I'll just have to take up a previous B&B offer in Hampshire
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