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Post by Midland on Jan 23, 2021 20:18:40 GMT
Dear All We are back on the Aspinal IMG_2782 by David Goyder, on Flickr IMG_2783 by David Goyder, on Flickr I don't mind saying that this has always been a formidable challenge that I viewed as being quite beyond my capabilities. When my wife bought me the castings in an estate sale some 28 years ago it was because I had an O gauge one of these and mused, "wouldn't it be lovely in 5" and while I was delivering a yacht somewhere miles away she went and got it all, I suppose imagining that one simply glues it all together. Fast forward 28 years and I think I may have learnt (from the master) something, or, that I will always not be an engineer and will die happily dreaming that I might have been. Anyway the Aspinal is on the bench, the frames are under it. One more little recollection. My first Guildford Rally, say 25 years ago with my Princess of Wales the first thing I saw was a bloody Aspinal on the steaming bays. I cried out 'that is my engine' and Les Pritchard quietly said, 'that is my engine but you may look at it'. My wife took a photo that is still on our notice board. So first of all apologies to Kipford, I have cheated. The same Les P came to me at an Ally Pally a few years ago and took me to see something. It was an Aspinal chassis. He told me the builder had lost interest and wanted to get rid of it. I saw ten years of devotion and knew I could never match that so I relieved him of it. It has sat looking at me for quite some time. I put it up in the attic room we have and studied it recording on the drawings all the bits that I did not need to make. Still a mount too steep to climb but then a hot summer, an open velox window, a summer shower and the whole thing got soaked and then went rusty. Oh s***. Well, all the other nuisances are out of the way, Princess runs fine, so does 990. This latest Molly is a fun retirement project so the bench in clear to tackle the Aspinal. (Need to rid myself of the wife's Princess Royal, a project too far!) What do I find, the idiot had caught Metric, London variant. It is held together with philips head B & Q cheapo screws. But I have sus'ed that M? close to 6BA can be altered to 5BA, another metric variant can be pushed into 3BA and on it goes. Why make a work of art and hold it together with the cheapest crap. Luckliy I have pretty good supplies of the proper fixings and I am filling my bin with this metric disease. I do hope the vaccine reaches Roger before he succumbs! So, the first stage is to see where we are with progress and see what needs making. Hopefully Kipford and I can keep alongside each other and help perhaps, more him to me of course. But I an determined to make my boiler and I hope kipford will join me for his. I may be crap at milling but I can bash and heat and we can call upon the Titley/ Pearson think tank for help!!! Cheers David
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Post by kipford on Jan 24, 2021 13:47:12 GMT
David Good to see you are back on the Aspinall. I must update my thread as I have a few more bits made. I plan on making my boiler this year and if you want to join in there will be three of us as, Coniston would like to help to get experience for a boiler he has to make. I have already had a preliminary discussion with mister Titley as he has previous on building an Aspinall boiler. Stay safe. Dave
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Post by Midland on Jan 25, 2021 14:29:04 GMT
Hi Dave/ Chris That is good. I should add that in addition to the Aspinal formers, I have the smoke box former courtesy of a chap in Leeds who built one and the Aspinal formers arrive tomorrow. I have also the Glen formers as this is the same sized boiler but with a different back head so when we can get together we change exchange some of these for our use. Be interesting to see what the latest quote is for one of these, I reckon about £2,500 and 18 months delivery. Cheers David
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Post by Midland on Feb 6, 2021 21:03:45 GMT
Dear Kipford I promised you a sight of my inspiration for a L & Y A class, here she is. This goes back 42 years and I still have the litle one with four coal wagons on my bookshelf, just lovely! And by the way a couple of signs from the L & Y that we found on the Knottingley branch, the BR area manager asked if I could help him clear away the rubbish that fell off a rottrn post. Happy to oblige! Train 6 by David Goyder, on Flickr Cheers David
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2021 21:08:12 GMT
That looks an excellent layout David... Pete
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Post by barlowworks on Feb 6, 2021 22:54:31 GMT
Hi David, one of my claims to fame is having an article published in the L&Y society magazine. I'm not an L&Y devotee but I one built an O gauge model of their 4-4-2 Atlantic for a colleague. I was then conned into writing an article on its construction for the society mag. By way of revenge I admitted to the world that I had to use G.W.R water scoop casting on the tender, something my mate has never lived down.
Mike
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Post by Midland on Feb 7, 2021 10:10:21 GMT
Mike You know how to take revenge alright, a GWR thing on a L & Y! D
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Post by kipford on Feb 7, 2021 10:11:06 GMT
David Lovely sight. Stud contact what a blast from the past.
Dave
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Post by Midland on Feb 7, 2021 10:38:17 GMT
That looks an excellent layout David... Pete Hi Pete This was in my father's house in Canada where one gets a huge basement. This little clip shows you the length at the very beginning. The curtain allowed us to divide it in half and to send trains to each other. I had a similar one in Canada but when I was sent over here I took it all to my Dad so the train you see is some of my rolling stock hence of course the A class coal train in the other clip. Those were the days. Tried to replicate it here in a 15 foot square attic conversation but it just did not work for O gauge so it is all gone now except for a couple of 0-6-0s and half a dozen wagons! Got to concentrate on the big stuff now. Small Compound by David Goyder, on Flickr And the beauty sitting there is SWMBO being indoctrinated into the railway world. Cheers David PS OK, back to the workshop!
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Post by Midland on Feb 8, 2021 17:48:07 GMT
Well, back to the Aspinal. Made the snifter today and 24 studs to hold the steam chest cover down. Working bronze is not my strong suit but then most of this lark is not my strong suit but one perceivers, even if the workshop was akin to an igloo! D
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Post by Midland on Feb 10, 2021 14:01:16 GMT
Anyone know where one can get spring steel 5/16s wide and .048 thick? Just had a quote from Sheffield for a minimum order of £150, all I need is about 5 feet. Cheers David
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2021 14:16:27 GMT
Hi David
M-Machine Metals have it listed, 5/16 x 18 SWG (0.048).. the cost is £3 per 300 mm
Cheers
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Post by ilvaporista on Feb 10, 2021 14:18:30 GMT
A stupid idea but have you tried the steel bands wrapped round pallets of bricks? Though I think they maybe closer to 3/8"
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Post by Midland on Feb 10, 2021 15:52:22 GMT
Pete Thanks for that, I am using them for the tufnol for the loco springs so this steel is perfect. I had actually just bought a sheet of this steel to put through my guillotine to make strips after talking with John so now I have two sources. Might try cutting abit up just for the experience but to get the strips is fine. What a fantastic catalogue and have you seen their ebay shop for cutoffs and odd bits. Have also asked Ed Parrott to send me a lots of fussy bits from his new laser house (MEL) and have sent him a spare set of Aspinal drawings so he can make lots more. We march on, I will get this damn thing made one way or another!! Cheers David
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2021 15:59:31 GMT
I don't think that I was aware of M-machine having an eBay page?.. I must take a look. I think Ed is making a flying start, he regularly gives updates on FB showing new products and cut parts, that's the way to drum up business. As we speak John Baguley is very kindly drawing up 'Doncaster's' ash pan for me. Once that's done it will go to Ed for cutting, that will be another big bit of the puzzle sorted... I think this year could be a very productive year on 4472... there are exciting times ahead..fingers crossed.. Pete
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Post by kipford on Feb 10, 2021 16:50:36 GMT
David Reference laser cut parts tell what you want, I may have the parts already available in DXF form, either from stuff I had done at work or that Ed and Malcolm have already done for me. I have about 140 parts available, so it would save Ed a truck load of work. Something else you may be interested in. I mentioned to you I am making the dummy springs from mild steel (not Tufnol) with centre areas removed to reduce its stiffness. MEL did them for me so Ed could supply if you want. They set up a with 6 off each type in each fret so each type can be rolled to the correct radius (I have the drawings for it) in one hit. A larger than usual selve edge at each end is designed to allow for the flat you get at the start and finish of the rolling process. They also have the pin hole pre-cut so they will line up accurately. Picture attached. Dave IMG_2630 by Dave Smith, on Flickr
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Post by kipford on Feb 10, 2021 17:12:00 GMT
David These arrived earlier in the week from Ed and Holly. They will make up to form the angled beading between the cab and cleading. The CAD model shows it is a B!""£$D shape to form, so I have done what I did with my Cab 'T' beading design it a slot and tab assembly you can silver solder together. Spliting it into 3 section with 2 parts to each section means you only have one part to form with the other acting as its former. Very reasonably priced £15 inc P and P, it includes some spare bits in case of the envitiable! By the way all the bits you see in the CAD shot I have had laser cut and have assembled them. I will update my own thread with pictures of hardware when it gets a bit warmer. Dave Body 1 by Dave Smith, on Flickr IMG_2631 by Dave Smith, on Flickr
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Post by Midland on Feb 13, 2021 15:23:26 GMT
Dave Great. You are a godsend with all these parts. I think I will just print off this picture and send to Ed with a request to supply all!!! It used to be that a good ME had to slavishly make every bit himself (yea ok herself as well) as some form of punishment for being a ME whereas why not use modern techiques so you have a loco to run before you die!
Anyway need to relate a conversation, She, what are reading? He, the manual for a DRO, they sent me one to see how they work, She, whats that? He, a thing you put on the mill to make it work better, She, why not get a better mill, He, they are very expensive these days over £2,000, She, how much is the thing you are looking at, He, its a kit and only £500, She, better get one then the money is just sitting there, He, yes I suppose I should (getting out his credit card).
Nothing like a good lockdown!!! Cheers David (aka He)
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Post by Midland on Feb 13, 2021 15:58:08 GMT
David Reference laser cut parts tell what you want, I may have the parts already available in DXF form, either from stuff I had done at work or that Ed and Malcolm have already done for me. I have about 140 parts available, Hi Dave I have a list of all the parts needed and I am ticking them off slowly. I will send it to you but basically I am not above the running board yet so the body bits in your picture will be welcome. Re the springs, do you think the ones in the drawing will be too stiff? It is quite a heavy loco. I have just got the steel and tufnol so I might make them, can alwayd change them later with split axlesboxes. Cheers David
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Post by Midland on Oct 17, 2021 18:43:18 GMT
Hi All After diversions into some uncharted waters, have returned safely to this monsterous project. Getting the chassis to work seems to be within my grasp but now the boiler. Unpacked the flanging tools and they stared at me and I stared at them but will go to bed with Alec Farmer tonight (yes his book) and try to see what one does. First job is to match up all the copper that Reeves supplied to the previous builder with the bits in the drawings! Have been reading about Kipford redesigning the damn thing but as Don Young's drawings have served many people so far, will stick to the simple version! Anyway, Princess of Wales thereapy works for me, she ran beautifully last week!! Cheers David
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