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Post by erikjan on Jan 11, 2018 13:54:09 GMT
Hello, I’ve recently completed a 7¼ gauge steam loco of the Württembergische Eisenbahnen. This German 0-6-0 loco was built over a period of almost 11 years and is now, apart from some details, a steam pump and a driving wagon ready. (If you want to read more about this loco; take a view at my blog: livesteamt3.blogspot.nl/ ) So I’ve space in the workshop for a next project. My son gave me already some suggestions for a next loco and that should be again a British engine. Preferably this should be an engine that is still in existence and that can be visited. Previous locos that I’ve made are all preserved, which was great help in getting information about the details of the loco. A visit with a photo camera and information on the internet is than very useful. I do have many volumes of the Model Engineer magazine in which many locos are described. On our list so far we have a few possible candidates: A 7¼” gauge A1 Stroudley Terrier (Newport design by Don Young) A 5” gauge LNER K1 (I saw that Blackgates Engineering is offering castings from the Clarksons of York catalogue) A 3,5 gauge Britannia by LBSC Or a 0-6-0 goods engine We even did take a look at an LNER (GNR) O2 2-8-0 by Martin Evans on 5” ; but that is already a very big engine to handle in my workshop. Do you have any suggestions for a next project? Did we miss out any particular design? Suggestions or tips are welcome. Kind regards Erik-Jan Stroetinga Eindhoven The Netherlands www.stoomgroepzuid.nl
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Post by cplmickey on Jan 11, 2018 16:10:56 GMT
What a fabulous looking engine Erik. You've done a lovely job with this one. It's always difficult to recommend an engine to someone and I believe that you need to build something you have a real interest in as that will keep you going over the long building time. Having said that, I now prefer tank engines so would say that the Terrier would be a lovely engine to build, very attractive in my opinion. Ian
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Post by smallbrother on Jan 11, 2018 16:30:29 GMT
Hi Erik,
I agree with Ian, the engine looks excellent.
If I had your ability I would build a GWR 14XX.
I am struggling with a 3.5" Juliet!
Pete.
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Post by andyhigham on Jan 11, 2018 16:36:02 GMT
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Post by sis on Jan 11, 2018 17:43:32 GMT
Hi Erik,
I've read your blog in the past but not in the last couple of years, so it is very nice to see a finished project. congratulations. I have no suggestion for you except to say that with your skills and perseverance you really could take on anything you want to. So find something you want to do and get started, and please do consider a build thread on this forum for us all to enjoy.
Are your intentions to choose from an existing design using commercially available castings? Or are you going to go it alone?
Thanks, Steve
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Post by erikjan on Jan 11, 2018 18:25:17 GMT
@ Pete: A GWR14xx is a fine engine.............I've built one in 5"gauge ( livesteamt3.blogspot.nl/p/gwr-14xx-in-5.html ) @ Steve: I can make a design; but commercially wheel castings make the start a lot easier. Regards Erik-Jan
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Post by kipford on Jan 11, 2018 18:27:54 GMT
I am biased, but Don Youngs Aspinall Class 27 or Hotspur Designs LNWR Coal Engine both in 5" gauge, both 0-6-0 tender engines. There is one class 27 in preservation, I think it is at the East Lancs Railway. If you want something a bit more modern, Don's BR Standard Class 2 tender engine.
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Post by Myford Matt on Jan 11, 2018 18:42:12 GMT
Hi Erik
I've long been an admirer of your work thanks to your blog.
I'd enjoy watching you build and write up a Terrier
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Post by jma1009 on Jan 11, 2018 19:36:52 GMT
Hi Erik-Jan,
Your recently completed loco is a credit to you, as is your GWR 14XX and all your other projects.
I would second Kipford's suggestion of the Don Young 5"g Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway class 27 'Aspinall' 0-6-0 loco.
I think you will be disappointed with the Clarkson drawings for the 5"g LNER K1.
Don Young's 'Fishbourne' IOW LSWR O2 in 5"g is also a lovely loco design.
Don Young's 'Newport' Terrier in 7.25"g is also a lovely design and supported by a construction series in LLAS.
I am no LNER fan but one of Martin Evans' best designs IMHO is his 5"g 'Stratford' 0-6-0 tender loco.
I take it you do not want anything too big for the next project?
Cheers,
Julian
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Post by 92220 on Jan 11, 2018 19:38:22 GMT
And they have all the Beyer works drawings there as well!
Bob.
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Post by andyhigham on Jan 11, 2018 19:58:43 GMT
The sole surviving L&Y Class 27 belongs to the Ribble steam railway at Preston, Lancs and is currently operating on the East Lancashire railway
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Post by mbrown on Jan 11, 2018 21:47:19 GMT
I am very impressed with your loco, Erik-Jan. Did you build it from works drawings? I have been exploring the German school of narrow gauge loco design for my next model, but I can find no source of original drawings for firms such as O&K, Borsig or Henschel.
I am just very taken by the black livery and red frames!
Malcolm
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Post by Cro on Jan 12, 2018 8:28:45 GMT
Lovely work Erik, I've been following your progress on your website and the loco is superb.
I can't comment on the quality of the design/drawings but a loco I wouldn't mind doing in 7 1/4" is the Paddington as Roger is doing in 5" as 1501 as it can be done in its preserved state.
If you fancied yourself a bit more of a challenge in 5" you could contact Mike Jack and build one of his dead scale 5" BR 3MT tank engines, so far the work is outstanding and he has a couple of guys in the UK building theirs themselves from his parts and drawings. Another mid size 5" engine is Dougs BR 4MT tank engine or ever the tender version which is a stunning loco and only 1 or 2 made so far.
Whatever you choose please create a build log on here for us to follow!
Adam
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Post by erikjan on Jan 12, 2018 11:19:51 GMT
I am very impressed with your loco, Erik-Jan. Did you build it from works drawings? I have been exploring the German school of narrow gauge loco design for my next model, but I can find no source of original drawings for firms such as O&K, Borsig or Henschel. I am just very taken by the black livery and red frames! Malcolm
Malcolm,
I actually used a HO scale model of the locomotive to measure the main dimensions. With this information I could setup a general arrangement drawing which in turn was used to make 3D drawings in Solidworks. Later a book came available of this locomotive in which a original general arrangement drawing was printed on A3 format. I than discovered that, as I expected, that the HO model was very close to scale. (You can download the drawings of my T3 locomotive in Solidworks format for free from this web-site stoomgroepzuid.blogspot.nl/p/downloads.html )
All the working components (boiler, valve gear, lubricator, etc.) of a live steam model locomotive were drawn/designed to suit this loco; the books of Martin Evans, LBSC and published designs from the Model Engineer, Garten Bahnen and of course information of club members and forums were sufficient information for me to make the locomotive. This was not the first loco I've build.... I started in early 80's with gauge 0 and 1 locomotives and later on built a 3½" gauge 0-6-2 'Mona' to the 'words and music of LBSC' and a GWR 14xx designed by Neville Evans)
EK-Verlag is a German Publisher who offers a lot of books over specific class of locomotives; quite often general arrangements drawings and some detail drawings and lots of photos are included in these books. And a lot of these engines are preserved...........much better than here in the Netherlands were almost all of the Dutch steam locomotives were scrapped at the end of steam in 1958. On preserved lines in the Netherlands all the locomotives that running here are almost all of foreign origin.
Kind regards
Erik-Jan
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Post by joanlluch on Jan 12, 2018 13:52:55 GMT
Hi Erik.
I'm also member of the dampfbahner.eu forums in German where you have some active role as well. I read them using automatic translator but I have only rarely posted there because I do not speak the forums main language.
I like your uninhibited use of the current techniques that are available to us such as CAD, CNC and Laser Cutting, which are only embraced by a few of us in this forums, although many others keep interest.
Happy to see you here.
Joan
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Post by sis on Jan 12, 2018 18:47:18 GMT
I can't comment on the quality of the design/drawings but a loco I wouldn't mind doing in 7 1/4" is the Paddington as Roger is doing in 5" as 1501 as it can be done in its preserved state. Adam Adam, One thing to note about Paddington is that Reeves are no longer supplying the cylinder castings. 17D tell me that they can supply CNC milled cylinders. Its a very nice design and to my very much inexperienced eye the drawings appear to be pretty good compared to others. Much closer to prototype than Speedy but I would be interested to learn what Roger thinks of it as he knows a lot more about that prototype than most. I shall now tease Roger by letting the forum know that although it is a matter of record that he will "never" build another locomotive he told me in person that "if" he did, it would most likely be a 7.25" gauge 1501. Since people are making suggestions I've always thought that the GWR Star and Castle classes are some of the finest looking locomotives of British origin. Regards, Steve
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Post by jma1009 on Jan 12, 2018 22:14:57 GMT
I have a sort of hint that Erik-Jan may be interested in making a 5"g Terrier to the Boxhill design by Martin Evans.
Cheers,
Julian
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Post by andyhigham on Jan 12, 2018 23:24:20 GMT
I hope Martin Evans Terrier is a better representation than his version of the Hunslet quarry engines, Conway where the cab roof would have been at chest level to a scale driver
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Post by andyhigham on Jan 12, 2018 23:26:07 GMT
I met Martin Evans once, what a conceited arrogant prick he was
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Post by 44767 on Jan 13, 2018 5:30:34 GMT
Lovely work Erik, I've been following your progress on your website and the loco is superb. I can't comment on the quality of the design/drawings but a loco I wouldn't mind doing in 7 1/4" is the Paddington as Roger is doing in 5" as 1501 as it can be done in its preserved state. If you fancied yourself a bit more of a challenge in 5" you could contact Mike Jack and build one of his dead scale 5" BR 3MT tank engines, so far the work is outstanding and he has a couple of guys in the UK building theirs themselves from his parts and drawings. Another mid size 5" engine is Dougs BR 4MT tank engine or ever the tender version which is a stunning loco and only 1 or 2 made so far. Whatever you choose please create a build log on here for us to follow! Adam Hi Erik, I so much enjoy seeing your work and it's lovely to see your latest model finished. I was going to suggest that the model I'm working on would be a great one for you to do but Adam beat me to it! I'd really like to have another builder working on this and someone of your caliber would be great! There's even a spare set of frames in the UK waiting for you! Let me know and I'll send you some details. (Not the latest image of the CAD model but it shows it largely complete) Regards, Mike
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