jma1009
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Post by jma1009 on Jan 30, 2018 10:03:44 GMT
Hi Pete,
The part of the General Arrangement drawing that Ed posted yesterday is not a drawing for the miniature versions nor was it a 'fullsize' drawing for Brighton Works to use but a rather special drawing.
Stroudley was a great publicist, and regularly published details of his locomotive designs in the engineering journals of the time. These were accompanied by specially prepared drawings.
I believe Ed's drawing above was prepared specially before LBSCR Terrier No.40 'Brighton' (now W10 'Newport') was exhibited at the Paris Exhibition in 1878 as the drawing shows Stroudley's patent speed recorder fitted. It is definitely not a general arrangement drawing used for the construction of the first batch of Terriers in 1872.
Incidentally the above drawing is reproduced in full in Tom Middlemass's book 'Stroudley and his 'Terriers'' (Pendragon 1995).
The Don Young drawings for the 7.25"g 'Newport'are very clear and easy to follow, and he took particular care when drawing up 'Newport', and at each stage/sheet showed the draft to others and amendments were encouraged in red ink.
Cheers, Julian
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smallbrother
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Post by smallbrother on Jan 30, 2018 10:04:00 GMT
Pete - I see you are not far from me - If you want the drawing board it is yours. Ed Hi Ed, It would be too big for me unfortunately. I am desperate for space. It is bloody ridiculous I know. There are 3 of us living in a 4 bedroom house with a very large double garage and 3 sheds. My drums and steam engine paraphernalia, my wife's road and mountain bikes, a dog, chickens and a turkey take up the space of a small village. Where are you based? Pete.
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Post by terrier060 on Jan 30, 2018 14:22:04 GMT
Cowbridge - your house sounds as mad as mine!
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Post by terrier060 on Jan 30, 2018 14:53:46 GMT
Sadly though Julian most of the designs including Don's are taken from A1X locos. Probably Boxhill is the nearest to the original. Therefore the closest one can get to the original are these drawings. Great to have the original works drawings, but I have visited and measured up Fenchurch (when in A1X form), Stepney, Knowle and Boxhill and all the important measurements agree with the drawings printed in the contemporary journals. Obviously there are differences with the boilers. As you have said previously, there are so many variations that you can only be sure of getting it right if you measure and build an individual locomotive. But even then - take Fenchurch -now rebuilt to look superficially like an A1. Not at all like the one I measured in BR colours I think one can get too tied up with rivet-counting and produce nothing! I think Stroudley would be proud to think that we think so much of his designs that hundreds of modellers have built his engines.
Julian is correct in that these drawings were prepared especially for the journals. Stroudley had a good relationship with the editor. The general arrangement drawing which I have shown only the cab was printed much later in 1882, but the backhead was from a much earlier drawing in 1873 showing one water gauge and two test cocks. There is not much difference between the drawings, except that the earlier ones tend to show more details. Personally I think there are enough published drawings to make a fine model of an A1, there being no original locomotives to copy. These can be backed up by measurements from the many examples still in steam, and of course the help of many modellers who know the literature and the many alterations made to the ones still with us today.
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Post by terrier060 on Apr 3, 2018 14:08:59 GMT
Hi Erik Just a little note to see if you are still with us. I am visiting the Bluebell Railway on Thursday to take some measurements of Fenchurch and Stepney. Looking forward to seeing the two locomotives again as it was about 20 years ago I last saw them! I am very much looking forward to your progress once you get started.
Ed
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Post by erikjan on Apr 14, 2018 14:53:42 GMT
Ed,
I'm still here, but was involved in finishing the loco lamps of the T3 and I'm now to think of a good way to secure the 7.25 loco in the car. Some kind of wood frame or crate; and I want to make this so the Terrier will fit in it as well (in the far future of course).
Were you able to take measurements of the Terriers? Two years ago, when I was there, the locos were inaccessibel for visitors.
Kind regards Erik-Jan
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Post by terrier060 on Apr 14, 2018 17:04:36 GMT
Hi Erik-Jan Yes I had a lovely day and got all the measurements I required. If and when you need any I can tell you what I have. I have most of the important measurements and pretty good images of Stepney, Fenchurch, Knowle and Boxhill. I have put a few of the measurements on my thread. Ed
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